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Nebraska governor signs executive order defining men as "bigger, stronger and faster"

Nebraska governor signs executive order defining men as "bigger, stronger and faster" | Boing Boing

Nebraska governor Jim Pillen, a Republican not noted as a women's rights supporter, yesterday issued an executive order "defining" males and females and the attributes thereof. The anti-transgender political grandstanding offers fusty explanations of the sexes–men are "bigger, stronger and faster" on average–in pursuit of Rowling-esque calls for sexual segregation (and even echoing her ostensibly feminist rationales) and not a lot else.
The order declares that, in matters of the state, the "biological differences between the sexes are enduring" and that the "sex" of a person will be defined by the gender designated at birth. In addition to specifically noting how boy, girl, man, and woman will be defined, the order also includes biological descriptions. …
"It is common sense that men do not belong in women's only spaces," Pillen said in the news release. "As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women's athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women's sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms."
The reaction, at least from Democrats, is to point out that if it were enforced, the likely outcome would be Nebraska losing federal funding for womens' shelters.
"Today Governor Pillen, famous women's rights supporter, signed this offensive and ridiculous proclamation establishing a "Women's Bill of Rights." He should try saying this stuff to my face then we would see who's got what biological advantage," wrote State Senator Megan Hunt on Twitter.

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All we need to do is find a woman bigger, faster, and stronger than him, and then he's officially a woman by his own legislation.
- And women are worthless stay-at-home breed mares to them so I guess they should get a new Governor.
  PS I'd pay good money to watch Britney Griner kick his ass.
  
  We tried. By God we tried.
  Discount Lex luthor termed out and it was a three way race for the Republican nomination.
  Democrats will never win the state again so it was a game of who's the least awful Republican?
  Residents of Omaha and the surrounding area flocked to change their registration to Republican to vote in the primary. A moderate who wasn't fucking insane was running and we tried our hardest to get him the seat. The other two were so similar we thought they'd split the crazy vote and the moderates would win out.
  He came in 3rd, by a wide margin.
- But why not does that larger woman simply eat the Governor?
  
  Is there an unexpected Futurama lemmy community somewhere? That was solid, lol
- The internet needs to flood his inbox with challenges from women that would destroy him at arm wrestling.
  
  Something about him makes me think he'd be into that.
- This will make it so the state can only have the "One True Man of Nebraska"
- I’m not agreeing with this legislation but it does say “bigger, stronger, faster on average”
  
  That's true. But "on average" in circumstances like this is meaningless; "on average," a person is male. But I think we can agree that some women do exist.
- Gabi Garcia is a 6'2" 210 pound MMA fighter, think we could send her over there and see what he says
- We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic woman. Better than she was before

Counterpoint: Ben Shapiro
- What's with the Ben Shapiro jokes here? I know who he is and I've read some of his (often comically) idiotic takes on world events, but care to explain it as it relates to this topic?
  
  properly answering that would require spending entirely too much time talking about Ben Shapiro, this will have to do
  
  He's a right wing pundit who claims to only care about "facts" and "logic" to make himself seem more intelligent and credible to his base. Of course, none of his views hold up to much scrutiny, showing that he doesn't actually care about facts and logic, meaning that really he's just another bigot.
  That would be pathetic enough, except that he's kind of the king of self-burns. Like, shit the CIA couldn't get out of most people. You should look up 'ben shapiro WAP'. It's fucking hilarious that he felt the need to commentate on the song in the first place, but the things he said solidified him as a meme. "Wet ass p-word" is a classic quote, and the fact that he admitted to his wife telling him that being that wet isn't normal is hysterical.

The order declares that, in matters of the state, the "biological differences between the sexes are enduring" and that the "sex" of a person will be defined by the gender designated at birth.
That makes zero fucking sense
- This means that insecure men in Nebraska can now go in to the dive bar they get drunk at starting at 1030 AM, and hit on any woman in the place without fear of her secretly having a penis.
  Not that there are any women in that bar, that they'd ever have a chance at taking one home, or, that this executive order actually means any of that. But the idiots who support this kind of thing will think it does.
  
  God i hate living here, because this is exactly how the rest of the idiots here think. But it’s too expensive to move right now.
- XX vs XY.
  I think you're thinking of gender.
  
  I think you don't know how often it's not one of those two, and if someone is going to get to pick, maybe we should also let individuals pick for themselves too.
  Edit:
  Looked at that profile...
  Pretty sure you don't think at all, easiest block of the week. Have fun shouting hated into the void
  
  You are thinking of sex. Gender comes from the same root as genre - like how you categorize books. It was initially used to define things loosely by cultural traits like "tribe" or "type" and was used in the 15 century to describe men and women in a tongue in cheek way. Basically saying "the tribe of woman" right before trying to be witty about how women don't make any sense because they are like another culture. Other uses would have been to distinguish differences between any different nations, families, groups. So your gendre could have been "English" or "From this specific village where they eat a lot of cheese" or of a social class.
  The word got hijacked by Victorian sensibilities which used it euphemistically in that "tribe of" way for the word sex because having a woman saying the word sex aloud to a room in the scientific sense of the word caused monocles to shoot out of men's eyesockets at lethal speeds and early feminists needed language they could use without being censored... But the modern usage of gender is not a euphemism for sex. They are two distinct words.
  Gender does not concern itself with any part of the person's body. It refers more to classification by cultural attributes. Like how you would decide if a book belongs in the mystery section or romance. Whether the book is hard or soft cover is not relevant to genre classification in the same way male /female/intersex is largely irrelevant in regards to gender classification.

I wonder if you can legally change genders with this. If you're a woman who's bigger, stronger, and faster than the average male in Nebraska, then you satisfy this biological condition set forth in law.
- Transition by combat!
  
  This is way too funny!

The nazis are back, Russia's trying its best to cause WW3, our rights are dropping like flies, oligarchs have become cartoonishly overt in fucking the rest of us cuz they know we'll just bend over and take it, and we're literally cooking our planet with cow farts and dinosaur juice to the point that its ability to support life is rapidly approaching a hard stop.
............and the thing we're putting our energy into is the dangly bits in our pants.
- The nazis are back
  They never left, they were bidding their time.
  
  Unfortunately, this isn't the comedy version where they hid in a secret base on the moon.
  
  While I know what you meant I am just imagining Nazis sitting at a table playing poker with seconds XD
- All this is just smoke and mirrors. These governors don't give a shit about any of this. However, their rabblerousing bases do, so they pull this shit because they know it'll keep the press and protestors busy enough so they don't look at the real issues. It's easy to rob a man or woman blind if they are busy protesting some nonsense stupidity you out up there to distract them.
  
  An enlightened one.
- Just as God intended

So if a body builder woman beats him up in one-on-one combat, he'll have to be redefined as a women? Where's the Celebrity Death Match reboot?
- I think he would be arrested for violating his gender assigned at birth?
  
  All the more motivation for "him" to put up a good fight.
- The order sayes "on average"

Out of all of the problems we have, this joker decided this made up one was actually worth his energy and effort. What a fucking stupid time to be alive.
- And he wouldn't even be wrong because this shit is what conservative voters now days thanks to how their media networks made it into this frenzy.

This is anti-twink legislation, Ben Shapiro can't live up to this.

So in Nebraska a two men with a measurable difference in size and strength in a relationship are actually heterosexual?

That guy definitely watches trans porn daily.

Daft Punk could not be reached for comment
- South Park the Movie was also not answering the phone.
- I thought you were gonna talk about Grant Kirkhope's magnum opus, the DK Rap. You know, because of the "He's bigger, and faster, and stronger too, he's the first member of the DK Crew! Huh!"
- i'm no expert but i'll gonna say... yes
  
  Yes
  
  You mean prominent neo-Nazi Kanye West?

@Wogi@lemmy.world wrote in here 6h ago :
There’s no legal reason to define the genders, no ongoing court drama in Nebraska that hinges on this definition, nothing legally will ever be decided because of it. It’s just one idiot shouting out to a bunch of other idiots that he doesn’t like it when people who were born with one set of genitals want to have a different set of genitals.
What this will accomplish is added brain drain, an issue Nebraska sorely needs a remedy to, it will cost millions in court cases that will now be filed against the state and the governor, and it will cost women’s centers in Nebraska Federal money. All while doing absolutely nothing worthwhile for the state of Nebraska.
It’s Jim Pillen saying he wants a fight with a minority group. And it’s an idiotic call to arms at that.
N.B. : This excellent comment was unfortunately part of a thread which was deleted by the mod. I read the other comments in this post and, compared to the above, they're mostly not worth one cent.
- Thank you for sharing that.
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Apparently, from what I'm reading, this will also potentially cause women's shelters to lose federal funding. They aren't legally allowed to discriminate against trans-women, which means they'll be disqualified for getting funding.
- For them, this might be considered a feature rather than a bug.

yeah cuz im such a big scary guy in my striped thigh highs, weighing in at 120 pounds
i can run away in a flash though :3
- Meanwhile, legislation like this also forces the Buck Angels of the world to use women's restrooms. It's all so fucking stupid. Kids are statistically in more danger from a priest or youth pastor.
  
  Or politician.
  
  or republicans.
- What colour stripes?
  
  I've got blue ones and pink ones

- I honestly think that's semantics. If the preamble doesn't matter, then why is it there? Why have it if it doesn't mean anything? Just because one is called a preamble and one a definition doesn't mean that people won't use either as the "real" definition. Maybe you could have argued that several years ago, but you certainly can't now.
- IANAL but isn't there an issue with "if any data is collected it must define someone as a man or a woman" doesn't allow there to be an "unknown." Therefore you could potentially skew things like crime or Healthcare statistics by counting all unknowns as one gender or the other.
  Secondly, the definition "shall identify each individual... as male or female at birth" also provides a problem as one presumably can now kick back a whole bunch of stuff with the message "yes but this data doesn't contain their sex at birth, please provide birth certificates for all 128,323 members of this list"
- We all knew where this was going and making fun of the preamble is way more fun than going "well shit there's another state ruining lives."
  
  I'm not from there and didn't know where it was going, and this user's explanation is very important, I'm glad they shared it <3

I guess intersex people also don't exist good job loser governor
- He knows they exist, he just hates them just as much as trans people.

Me who can’t do a single pull-up: I guess I’m a woman now?
- I have no upper body strength at all. Never been able to do a pull-up, can only do about five push-ups. Even when I was a kid, I could barely handle the monkey bars. My daughter has inherited it from me. She has trouble with metal doors you have to push to exit a building.

So whenever he sees a giant Dutch girl that would destroy his noodle arms in arm westling he's now officially a tiny little girl.
- That's his kink 😜
- Although on average Dutch men are even bigger...

After that he signed an order that declares his penis to be totally average or a little bigger than average, and that it's totally normal for it to be that color & shape and have a bend in it.

Serena Williams or Brittney Greiner or Simone Biles could kick my fat ass three ways from Sunday. I'm definitely not bigger than Brittney, and there's no way I'm stronger or faster than any of them.
- He's an asshole, but it is absolutely true that men are, on average, bigger, stronger, and faster than women, so picking 3 women who are notable for being in the top billionth of prowess in their particular sports isn't exactly a repudiation of that point.
  
  Not sure why you are downvoted. On average, that statement is correct.
- They could also kick the Governors as, with one hand tied behind their back.
- I was just thinking the same about my husband. At 5'7" and 137 lbs, and working an office job with no workouts so no real muscle tone, he might have to be defined as a woman. Good thing we'll never go to Nebraska.
  I would like to see him go up against any of these ladies in literally any sport at all- they'd kick his ass so hard. And that's fine- he's not less "manly" because of it. He is my husband and the father of my children and I love him always and thankfully small minded people like this are only a minor hindrance in the progress we are making.
- Did you even read the article? He defined men as being on average bigger stronger and faster. I don't know if this is exactly the case. You also named women who aren't exactly in the middle of the bell curve.
- Simone biles is the size of a small child. If you fell on her, you'd kill her.
  The other two, could probably take you.
  
  You don't know how weak and pathetic I am.
  
  Don’t mess with people smaller than average; they likely learned how to defend themselves by being the target of “tough” people from an early age.

So if there is a woman bigger than him, does he lose his manhood?
- A "woman" bigger than him is automatically a man, by definition. Likewise, any "man" smaller than his wife is automatically a woman.
  
  But what about people smaller than him but larger than his wife?
  
  Easy peasy! 😩

Theres a lot of obvious layers of stupidity here, i wanna point out the ludicrousness of thinking you can define legislative legal terms through executive order.
- There's just going to be a bunch of absurd lawsuits coming out of this.

How could this idea ever go wrong?
- Death by Snu Snu! The mind is willing, but the flesh is soft, and bruised

The amount of time republicans waste fixing nothing is staggering. It’s like they exist to run out the clock.
- They kinda are, aren't they? Pretend like you are working while getting re-elected and enabling and covering up what your rich friends are doing behind the curtain. The goal is usually not to fix anything. Rather break it further while looking like you are fixing something. Something they don't care about or matter to their personal bottom line.

There is a missing "on average" in the title of this headline, which completely negates the oniony part of the sentence.
This bill did not say that men were exclusively bigger, stronger, and faster, or that women weren't. It just said that, on average, they are, which is true.
Why that is in an executive order, honestly, there is no good reason for it, but the principle is still the same: lying by omission is still lying, especially in a culture where people only read headlines.
- Why that is in an executive order, honestly, there is no good reason for it,
  You got it right here but nevertheless missed the point pretty hard. What he said and how he said isn't the point of the article: what he did and why he did it is what is newsworthy.
- It's about transgender athletes, I'm guessing.

My 6ft tall great grandmother would have scrubbed the toilet with that shrimp.

🤡
- Don't insult clowns like that
  
  Yeah, clowns at least have a useful job, amusing/terrifying small children.

What tiny dick energy
Edit: "Any man who must say 'I am the King' is no true King."

Jokes on you I'm none of those things

Daft Punk - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

Guess no one in that state has met Starla. Nobody thinks I'm a failure because I go home to her at night.

So in other words, what you're saying is that the Nebraska governor has an extremely small penis and is very very insecure about that fact.

issued an executive order "defining" males and females and the attributes thereof.
Uh, no, that's not your job.

Am I the only one thrilled that Meg Hunt is the one standing up to this shit?
- I love her response, we should have more politicals fighting back like that, all around the world

Strange how this tiny dick energy law says nothing about intelligence...
- For example, see how this comment will be downvoted, even if it is true.
  Yeah doesn't it really suck when people use some arbitrary point system to indicate that you don't quite measure up to others?
  
  Google the words "gender bias". I'll wait.

Almost as if all anti trans bigotry is based in misogyny

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrRrAelUUAIoUOU?format=jpg&name=small

Man in political power has such fagile masculinity that he legislate what he can't demonstrate
... did he live in a mojo dojo casa house by chance?

Wonder what caused him to not just write "better"

We already have the chromosomes, why bother with this bullshit?
- Because Republican men are insecure in their masculinity. So insecure that they overcompensate in the most ludicrous ways imaginable.
- Because biological sex is not necessarily the same as mental gender.

I can hear the "Six Million Dollar Man" theme music playing while reading that headline

on avg its true but i dont know they need to sign a bill for it
- They're doing it because they can't stand it when this logic doesn't apply. They hate trans people, intersex people, and women who are stronger than them.

It sounds like he’s thinking of six-million-dollar men.

I feel like this is shortsighted. Instead, legislation should be in place to add another category so that there is a space for sex and gender. Not that I would expect such based actions from this dude.
I know males are on average stronger than females, but I have yet to meet a trans girl who I couldn't beat in a physical challenge. I'm under average height, don't work out, and I don't have genes that give me muscular advantage, but in every physical challenge thus far, they came first.
- I know this is probably a joke comment, but you’ve got me intrigued - how many trans girls do you know and how often do you compete if physical challenges? Are they of the Double Dare variety or are they more Olympic in nature? Do you allow them to train an come back for a rematch?
  
  The first paragraph is sincere, the second is the joke.

No-chin incels in shambles lmao.

How Christian of him.

According to chat gpt:
Are there instances of someone being born "female" but their reproductive system is not developed to produce ova?
Yes, there are instances where individuals are born with female external genitalia but do not have fully developed reproductive systems to produce ova. This condition is known as Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser (MRKH) syndrome, or simply MRKH. In MRKH syndrome, individuals typically have a vagina and external female genitalia but may lack a functional uterus and, in some cases, may not have fully developed ovaries. As a result, they may not be able to conceive children naturally.
This condition highlights the complexity of human biology and serves as an example of how one's biological sex may not always align with traditional expectations. It reinforces the importance of recognizing that individuals' experiences of their own bodies can vary widely and that gender identity and biological sex are not always perfectly congruent.
Furthermore, there are several other medical conditions and intersex variations that challenge the idea that biology alone can definitively determine one's gender identity. Here are a few examples:
Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH): CAH is a group of genetic disorders that affect the adrenal glands, leading to variations in hormone production. In some cases, individuals with CAH may have external genitalia that do not align with typical male or female appearance.
Swyer Syndrome: Swyer syndrome is a condition where individuals are born with XY chromosomes but have non-functional testes and develop typically female external genitalia. This condition highlights the importance of chromosomes not being the sole determinant of gender identity.
5-alpha-reductase deficiency: This condition can result in individuals born with male chromosomes but ambiguous or female external genitalia due to a deficiency in the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone into its active form.
Klinefelter Syndrome: Individuals with Klinefelter syndrome have an extra X chromosome (XXY), which can lead to variations in physical development, including less masculine secondary sexual characteristics.
These conditions, among others, demonstrate that biological sex is not always straightforward and that it doesn't always align with an individual's gender identity. They emphasize the importance of considering multiple factors, including an individual's own understanding of their gender, when discussing matters related to gender and sex.
- ChatGPT is not a knowledge source and should not be treated as one. It's trained to be a creative, context sensitive writer. You can equally make it produce a text that denies that.

- I am, on average, bigger, faster, and stronger than a child.
  All children are now women.
- But what does that mean, what's the point of it? Both my daughters are above average height, probably about the height of the average man. Does that tell us anything useful?
  
  That's the law of averages. They tell us nothing useful except what the average is.
  
  It tells us that your daughters will be better suited to get things off of the top shelf than others will be. But more likely to be uncomfortable when flying.
  But other than that, no, nothing much useful.

This bothers people? With the insanity going around with trannys, this is an expected outcome tbh.

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