Effectiveness of hi-vis in car traffic

Separated bike lane is the only way. Anything else is knowingly getting bikers killed.

Nuh uh. My city painted pictures of bicycles on the asphalt in the right lane of a busy road, so now drivers know it’s also for bikes and it’s suuuuuper safe.
That’s what Big Bike Lane doesn’t want you to know. You don’t need to build a bunch of infrastructure to separate cyclists and cars - you just need paint! Especially the new kind that wears off the road in less than a year and doesn’t get repainted.
- In my city, all of the pictures of bicycles on the asphalt are underneath parked cars.
- Sharrows are worse than no bike lanes since they provide the illusion of safety while offering absolutely no protection.
Come to my city, Edmonton, Alberta. Vehicles regularly drive on dedicated bike lanes. Poor signage, barricades and dumb drivers.
- Separated bike lanes. Not by a line of paint or some curb at the intersection but by several feet of physical barrier. Raised planters work well and are attractive but putting the parking strip between traffic and bikes (as long as the parked cars can't open doors into the lane) also gets the job done.
- It sounds like bollards are needed around the dedicated bike lanes to protect from cars driving on them.

I drive a motorcycle regularly. I make it a habit to check where people ahead of me are looking (by looking into their side mirrors) so I can predict whether they'll merge into me.

About 1/3 of drivers are on their phones, not looking at the road at any given time

I ride as well and I apply this method to driving my car too.
I ride daily, also skateboard and work in transport, my local political rep came past the other week and all I could say was "can we get those phone cameras every 200m on every road in the country? It's the only way we'll get the fuckers off their phones."
Hope she took it on board tbh.
Yeah, but do you actually wear high vis?
Vest and helmet cover?
Or are you one of those people that say noise is the only indicator completely disregarding the advances in car sound proofing that only makes loud bikes an annoyance to pedestrians?
Did you know by mile driven, motorcycles kill more pedestrians than cars or trucks?
Compared with cars, the RR of killing a pedestrian per vehicle mile was 7.97 (95% CI 6.33 to 10.04) for buses; 1.93 (95% CI 1.30 to 2.86) for motorcycles; 1.45 (95% CI 1.37 to 1.55) for light trucks, and 0.96 (95% CI 0.79 to 1.18) for heavy trucks. Compared with cars, buses were 11.85 times (95% CI 6.07 to 23.12) and motorcycles were 3.77 times (95% CI 1.40 to 10.20) more likely per mile to kill children 0–14 years old. Buses were 16.70 times (95% CI 7.30 to 38.19) more likely to kill adults age 85 or older than were cars. The risk of killing a pedestrian per vehicle mile traveled in an urban area was 1.57 times (95% CI 1.47 to 1.67) the risk in a rural area.
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232
Literally 3.77x more likely to kill a child per mile than a car, and you're focusing on peeping in windows as you zip by?
So can you please stop trying to see how many car drivers are on the phone while you ride one of the most dangerous vehicles possible for you and people minding their own business walking around?
Your hobby isn't more important than people's lives, even if it makes you feel better about other shortcomings you may be dealing with and can't change.
- Note the publication year of the article, and the year of the data collected. 2005 and 2002, respectively. Trucks and SUVs are demonstrably larger and more prevalent on the roads in the last twenty years in the US, and those were pre smartphone.
  And plenty of us ride motorcycles for commuting and economic reasons, they're not only toys... Even if it is a vehicle that attracts a bunch of assholes, which I'll clearly admit
- Is this per accident? or pee accidents that didn't happen with motorcycliats not on phones? People reading phone while driving are just selfish asaholes. Bluetooth exiats, talk to text exists, ok google, ok siri and yet...assholes
- Hey I think you missed this extremely important part of your quoted source:
  Results: Passenger cars and light trucks (vans, pickups, and sport utility vehicles) accounted for 46.1% and 39.1%, respectively, of the 4875 deaths, with the remainder split among motorcycles, buses, and heavy trucks.
- Don't be so condescending.

Seeing a cyclist in hi-vis is enough for a driver to downgrade their phone to iOS 9

But their friend isn't on android
And degrades their ability to read

Anytime I'm cycling I make sure I know where every car is and never let any vehicle sneak up on me, because I expect car drivers to be distracted and oblivious to most laws of the road. Because of this I've not had any close calls yet

Bicycles should have mirrors and turn signals for this reason IMO.
- Lol they have turn signals, big ones, with their left arm. Of course, they need to actually use the signal...

Using light mode on your phone prevents getting blinded by hi-vis tech. Or by flashbang/stun grenades. Or by nukes.

Instead, you try flash-banged by your phone.

I don't have an iPhone what's blue vs green?

Blue means the other person has an iPhone, green means android (or not an iPhone)
I think the joke may have been that it doesn’t matter because the driver is looking at their phone anyway. (But I’m not sure)
- Green means text message, blue means iMessage
  If you turn off iMessage then iphone to iphone will be green
- Even with drivers on cellphones, per mile driven motorcycles kill more pedestrians than cars.
  https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232
  And I don't think we need to mention how much more dangerous a motorcycle is for the person riding it.
  There's a big push to always blame drivers of four wheel vehicles, I've never heard a good response for why motorcycle riders kill almost 4x as many children pedestrians per mile driven than car drivers though.
  I'm sure it's totally not their fault and if they make their exhaust more obnoxious it will fix everything tho...
Blue text occurs in Apple’s own text app, Messages. Green text indicates someone who isn’t using Apple’s Messages app.
- You can also opt out of iMessage even when using Apple's Messages app

High vis is always a good idea, especially at night. There's a reason utility and road workers wear it, after all

Never a bad idea! Typically, bicycle lights and maybe some reflective tape strips on your bike provide plenty of visibility too. :)

I've had a few times in a few metropolitan areas where I had no car, and commuted 15+ miles of urban riding a day.

Both times started super conservative with my riding. By the end of was blowing lights and stop signs, had a whistle necklace, carried pepper spray, and was happier than I had ever been in traffic in a car.

Stop signs and traffic lights are a car concept. Pedestrians don't need them and have NEVER needed them because they move slow and can see all around them without blind spots. Cyclists are a lot closer to pedestrians than to cars unless you're in an ebike with no governor. Ride on man!

That's kind of analogous to saying we don't have a problem with zebras, but with zebra stripes. It's like that old joke, that the morons behind the wheel give the other 1% of drivers a bad reputation.
But on a serious note, even if we had some foolproof test to weed out the morons, cars are dangerous, loud, polluting, expensive, and anti-social. We have plenty of other reasons to dislike having a society built around them.
Any driver, pedestrian or cyclist/etc knows full well that there is no non-hostile way to interact with others when you're behind the wheel. It's just the psychology of operating a vehicle with enough mass and traveling at such velocities which destroy the human body. Our car culture was groomed by businessmen, and big business never cared about you and me.
So no, when I see a car or I see a highway, i dont see just a tool. I see a system which DEMANDS I give it my fealty, that I internalize it's propaganda that I oWn ThE rOaD and peer out from a tinted window tank with paranoia for all those community members that I'd otherwise meet while walking and cycling in cities made for pedestrians, rather than the hellscape of industry, of commuting from suburbs to be a drone in steel-tower-hives, of just-one-more-lane eminent domain dividing residental areas, dividing neighbors.
I dont like the word idiot. That it is common parlance isnt the defense of it's use we think it is. Eptymology reveals more than just ableism, no oppression exists in a vacuum.
I see the need for fast-transit for medical emergencies. I want an international supply chain for medicine. I see the purpose of transportation as tools.
When I say "fuck cars" I am not talking about "cars" as tools. I am talking about cars as
A culture
A system (working-class [can't retire b4 40]) americans cant opt out of
And
A lingering spectre; I was force fed and helpless to avoid enjoyment of it all: Hotwheels, NASCAR, Cars-the-movie and role models raising me.
Now in adulthood I have seen countless friends, and then eventually a close family member, ripped violently from this mortal coil by some selfish arrogant asshole's impatience.
From there you look to data: 35-45k Fatalities per year in the US related to Car Accidents, and manufactuers can improve odds of the operator/passengers surviving, but forget your neighbors outside the vehicle who are still struck by a massive projectile, right?
When I say fuck cars, No: It's not "Oh shucks i sure wish everyone would be patient and generous behind the wheel"
It's: "We have been boxed into a system of commuting which has alienated us from our neighbors. We must rethink fundamentally our approach to planning cities. Light rail, trains, cycling and walkable cities. I am full of Love and Hope fueled by Rage and Loss. I will make connections with my neighbors to counteract the alienation and hostility. I will do my damndest to drive like a demure grandma when i must be behind the wheel"

Locking due to too many people raging and inciting violence against people riding bikes.

As some asshat in a reflective vest and a strobe light on his forehead blows a stop sign.

Perfectly legal in my state (MN) as long as that "asshat" would have the right of way if they stopped. I also see pretty much everyone doing a rolling stop in a car which IS illegal.

I'll get downvoted and told I'm an idiot and whatever else, but I just ride on the sidewalk and it takes all the issues away. It's a million times better to me, and when I'm in a car I fucking hate cyclists in the road. You guys can keep putting your lives on the line if that's what makes you feel good, I guess.

It's illegal to cycle on the pavement in many countries, and it's a danger to pedestrians.
- In my experience you will generally only be stopped if you are riding in a way that's a risk to the pedestrians around you, and there's plenty of ways to avoid that. Police have better things to go after unless they are deliberately trying to fish for fines income.
- I'm not riding my bike at 30MPH with my eyes closed, so so far no incidents.
So what you're saying is that your car / cyclist / pedestrian infrastructure sucks.
I fully agree with you that bicycles don't belong on the road with cars, it's suicidal. They also don't belong on the sidewalks where they'll be the danger themselves.
Bicycles need their own infrastructure. Take it away from the cars,.there is way way too much car infrastructure and once you have good bicycle infrastructure, you won't need thatuch car infrastructure anymore
We need a change in our culture. Selfish, foolish impatience, drivers insisting they OwN tHe RoAd is exactly what's killing pedestians and cyclists. You can get where youre going fast enough, but it's never enough. Fuck that noise, bunch of drunkards ( be it on alcohol or arrogance)
We all know there's no non-hostile way to interact with others when youre behind the wheel. Its just the nature of such a heavy vehicle traveling at speeds to where collision destroys the human body. Business men made it this way, and big business never cared about you or me.
Same, I live in a smaller city that has wide sidewalks. You slow down when approaching pedestrians and blind corners, stop at crosswalks, etc. It's alot lower risk in general.
The idea that we lump bikes in with cars, as if every biker is some competitive racer who has to go 40 on their bike, is ridiculous, and opens bikers up to being killed by cars. On the sidewalk, the chance of a crash is lower, an DM the results of crashes minor in comparison. Its a no-brainer for me.
If my city had fully founded bike lanes that didn't merge into the main road, though, I'd switch to those in a heartbeat.
- Yeah it's honestly hilarious to me after a certain amount of comments. Like either I've found all the professional bike riders in one place or a lot of people who are very full of both themselves and a little shit. Why they're all acting like they ride their bikes at car speeds is beyond me. Maybe they all have cognitive issues that impair their reaction times?
This is why I like multi-use paths.
I fucking hate cyclists in the road
Well that's too bad because the road is for everyone. Keep your road rage in check and be more constructive next time.
I don't think the vehicle itself matters as much as its speed and whether is is paying attention or not. I would not mind bicycles going at a pedestrian pace on the sidewalk who slow down and stop if necessary, and I even think bicycles on roads should be limited to either low traffic situations or having pedal assist so that they are at least able to travel at 25km/h.

Oh yeah. There should be one, because the relationship is perfectly symmetrical. See, sometimes cars hit bikes and murder the bikers, and sometimes a bike will be a minor inconvenience to a driver. Also cars have completely stolen roads from pedestrians in the last 70 years and sometimes bikes take a small portion back. Good point, I'm sure it'll be a great community! Very healthy!
- Get the fuck out the way then, scrub. The only people riding bikes in the street in my area are the people that got tired of getting pulled over for driving drunk and the rich yuppies doing ragbrai. Neither will look before crossing a busy street or highway and I'm supposed to feel bad? Nope.
Go ahead and make one, I'm sure you and a few other carbrains will have a wonderful time.
Be the change you want to see in the world.