Todd Howard asked on-air why Bethesda didn't optimise Starfield for PC: 'We did [...] you may need to upgrade your PC'
Todd Howard asked on-air why Bethesda didn't optimise Starfield for PC: 'We did [...] you may need to upgrade your PC'
lol. has anyone found ways to optimize starfield for their pc, like reducing stuttering, FPS drops, etc?
I'll believe they actually optimized their PC port when their PC ports start showing some signs of effort at being actual PC ports
No FOV slider after FO76 had one is, to me, a great sign of how little Bethesda actually cares about the platform that keeps them popular (thanks to mods)
They don't want to put the work in for the biggest benefit of PC gaming.
I don't think any PC should be able to run a game well at max settings on release. Leave room for it to still look good five years from now.
And have the bare bones setting be able to work on shitty systems that do need upgraded.
Bethesda just wants to make games that run on a very small slice of PCs, and who can blame them when they can't even release a stable game on a single console? They're just not good at
I don’t think any PC should be able to run a game well at max settings on release. Leave room for it to still look good five years from now.
This is the mentality they want you to have. And it's a shit one. PCs should be able to run any game well when it comes out.
I'm not super interested how Starfield will play 5 years from now. I didn't even play Skyrim past it's 5th release..
But seriously modders have shown they're up to the task op upgrading the engine and visuals over time.
I like that your last sentence is open-ended, like a Mad-lib
How would you expect them to develop a game targeted towards hardware they can't test on due to it not existing? Latest PC hardware should be able to run max or near max at release.
Yeah. But at least you can use console command ( ~ tilde as usual ) to change fov Default values are first person 85 and third person 70 Range is 70-120
SetINISetting "fFPWorldFOV:Camera" "85"
SetINISetting "fTPWorldFOV:Camera" "70"
When you're happy with what you got, issue
SaveIniFiles
Or you can just edit
The game, without using dlss mods, runs at 30fps with some stutters on my system using the optimized settings from hardware unboxed (linked) on a 4060ti. If I install the DLSS-FG mods I immediately get 60-90 fps in all areas, that alone should tell you everything you need to know..
Heres the rub, Im not a FPS whore. Its generally a good experience for this game at 30 FPS assuming you use a gamepad/xbox controller. KB+M it gets really jittery and theres input lag. The game was clearly playtested only using a gamepad. The reactivity of a mouse for looking is much different and the lower FPS the game is optimized for becomes harder to digest.
I have also tested on my 1650ti max-q, and a 1070. Both the 4060ti and 1070 were on an egpu.
My system has an 11th gen i7-1165g7 and 16 gb ddr4 ram. I play at 1080P in all cases.
For the 1650ti and the 1070 the game runs fine IF I do the following
Even on the 4060ti, it saying its using 100% of the GPU but it is only pulling like 75-100 W, when it would normally pull 150-200W under load easy.
TL:DR - this game isnt optimized, at least for NVIDIA cards. They should acknowledge that.
I can at least change the FOV with an ini file edit, but there's no way to adjust the horrible 2.4 gamma lighting curve they have... It's so washed out on my display, it's crazy!
There is actually https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/281
I'm glad everyone is beta testing this game for me.
I'll wait until it's $20 on steam with all DLC for spaceship horse armor.
lol same.
80 fucking euro for the quality of that game is crazy.
Might as well wait for the 5 year anniversary edition with paid mod content included
3€ Titanfall 2 Ultimate.
Yup. Having it again on Steam was worth it.
Yeah my SO and I are too busy with bg3, maybe by the time we get to it it'll have a coop mod ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm waiting at least 6 months to even consider playing this game. More likely over a year.
I guess Steve from gamer nexus should upgrade his computer when doing test runs? This guy I swear.
such a todd move, always with a shit eating grin. "Oh you can't run our game? jeez, have you tried not being poor?"
Thing is, I did upgrade my PC. Starfield runs acceptably, but not to the level it should given my hardware.
I'd much rather hear that they're working on it in a patch rather than be gaslit into thinking it already runs well.
I would agree. They should acknowlege its not well optimized and are working on fixing it, especially with Nvidia cards. It rubs me wrong that they are in denial here, especially given their rocky release history.
Heck that think that 50% of the reason they didnt want even co-op or any netcode. FO76 was a nightmare on relase largely because of that.
While I'm probably in a small demographic here, I'm sitting with a perfectly capable PC, not a gaming supercomputer or anything but a healthy upgrade from standard, and when I started hearing about Starfield I got really excited.
...then I saw all this stuff about compatibility and performance, and when I tried to see where my equipment stood, I was left with the impression that if I wasn't a PC building enthusiast, it was going to be hard to figure it out, and if my computer wasn't pretty high end and new, it was probably going to struggle.
And now hearing more about the performance issues, I've basically given up even considering the game based on possible performance and compatibility issues.
This seems to be the new normal though unfortunately.
It's normal that 5-10 percent generational improvement on a product (6800 XT - > 7800 XT) is celebrated and seen as good product, when in reality it's just a little less audacious than what we had to deal with before and with Nvidia.
It's normal that publishers and game studios don't care about how their game runs, even on console things aren't 100 percent smooth or often the internal rendering resolution is laughably bad.
The entire state of gaming at the moment is in a really bad place, and it's just title after title after title that runs like garbage.
I hope it'll eventually stabilize, but I m not willing to spend 1000s every year just to be able to barely play a stuttery game with 60 fps on 1440p. Money doesn't grow on trees, which AAA game studios certainly seem to think so.
Yes GI and baked in RT / PT is expensive, but there need to be alternatives for people with less powerful hardware, at least until accelerators have become so powerful and are common in lower end cards to make it a non issue.
The Nvidia issue might be more Nvidia's fault. All three major GPU companies (including Intel now) work with major publishers on making games work well with their products. This time around, though, Nvidia has been focused on AI workloads in the datacenter--this is why their stock has been skyrocketing while their gaming cards lower than a 4080 (i.e., the cards people can actually afford) have been a joke. Nvidia didn't work much with Bethesda on this one, and now we see the result.
Nvidia is destroying what's left of their reputation with gamers to get on the AI hype train.
They didn't optimize it for consoles either. Series X has equivalent of 3060 RTX graphical grunt, yet it's capped to 30fps and looks worse than most other AAA games that have variable framerates up to 120fps. Todd says they went for fidelity. Has he played any recent titles? The game looks like crap compared to many games from past few years, and requires more power.
The real reason behind everything is the shit they call Creation Engine. An outdated hot mess of an engine that's technically behind pretty much everything the competition is using. It's beyond me why they've not scrapped it - it should have been done after FO4 already.
Weird how everyone jokes how shitty Bethesda developers are but everyone's surprised how bad Starfield runs.
And don't forget the constant loading screens. A game that has so many of them shouldn't look this bad and run this poorly.
Look, I agree with everything from the first paragraph, and the CE does seem to have a lot of technical debt that's particularly shown in Starfield, which is trying to do something different than the other games. The engine being "old" is bad though (I know you didn't make it, but it's often said), and it being "technically behind" other engines is really true in all ways.
The Creation Engine had been adapted by Bethesda to be very good at making Bethesda games. They know the tools and the quirks, and they can modify it to make it do what they want. It has been continuously added onto, just as Unreal Engine has been continuously added onto since 1995. The number after the engine name doesn't mean anything besides where they decided to mark a major version change, which may or may not include refactoring and things like that. I have a guess that CE2 (Starfield's engine) is only called CE2 because people on the internet keep saying the engine is old, but tell them to use UE (which is approximately the same age as Gamebryo) but adds numbers to the end.
Correct me if Im wrong but dont they limit frametimes so they can reduce tv stuttering? NTSC standard for TVs is 29.94 or 59.94 fps. I assume they chose the 30fps so it can be used more widely and if its scaled to 60 it would just increase frametime lag. Again, im not sure.
Also, comparing CE2 to CE1 is like comparing UE5 to UE4. Also, i dont remember but doesnt starfield use the havok engine for animations?
Edit: rather than downvote just tell me where I am wrong
Not to put too fine of a point in it but you're wrong because your understanding of frame generation and displays is slightly flawed.
Firstly most people's displays, whether it be a TV or a monitor, are at least minimally capable of 60hz which it seems you correctly assumed. With that said most TVs and monitors aren't capable of what's called variable refresh rate. VRR allows the display to match however many frames your graphics card is able to put out instead of the graphics card having to match your display's refresh rate. This eliminates screen tearing and allows you to get the best frame times at your disposal as the frame is generally created and then immediately displayed.
The part you might be mistaken about from my understanding is the frame time lag. Frame time is an inverse of FPS. The more frames generated per second the less time in between the frames. Now under circumstances where there is no VRR and the frame rate does not align with a displays native rate there can be frame misalignment. This occurs when the monitor is expecting a frame that is not yet ready. It'll use the previous frame or part of it until a new frame becomes available to be displayed. This can result in screen tearing or stuttering and yes in some cases this can add additional delay in between frames. In general though a >30 FPS framerate will feel smoother on a 60hz display than a locked 30 FPS because you're guaranteed to have every frame displayed twice.
Todd said they capped it at 30 for fidelity (= high quality settings). Series X supports variable refresh rate if your TV can utilize it (no tearing). Series X chooses applicable refresh rate which you can also override. All TVs support 60, many 120, and VRR is gaining traction, too.
Let's take Remnant II, it has setting for quality (30) balanced (60) and uncapped - pick what you like.
CE is still CE, all the same floaty npc, hitting through walls, bad utilisation of hardware have been there for ages. They can't fix it, so it's likely tech debt. They need to start fresh or jump to an already working modern engine.
That's for movies, I don't remember why, but films can be fine in 30fps. Games are kinda horrible at 30fps, all TVs I know have 60Hz or higher refresh rate for all PC signals
This game is not pretty enough to push my 3080 ti as hard as it does. I get around 40fps at max settings.
What... are you doing in the background? I've got a 3070 and 4k monitor, and I get between 50 and 60 FPS with all the settings I can fiddle with disabled enabled. I use RivaTuner to pipe statistics to a little application that drives my Logitech G19 with a real-time frame graph, CPU usage, memory load and GPU load and it uses multi cores pretty well, and generally makes use of the hardware.
-- edit -- Thanks for pointing out I made totally the wrong comment above, changing the meaning of my comment 180°...
I installed an optimized textures mod and instantly improved my performance by like... 20 frames, maybe more.
I have an RX 6600 XT that can run Cyberpunk on high no problem. C'mon Bethesda, the game is really fun, but this is embarrassingly bad optimization.
When there are benchmarks showing 0.1% lows at <40fps at 1080p on a goddamn 4090, no, Todd, the problem is your engine.
Kiss my ass Todd, my 6700xt and Ryzen 5 5600x shouldn't have to run your game at 1440p native with low settings to get 60fps