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I realize I may get some divisive answers, but if NATO Countries all agreed, mobilized, and went into Russia full force with no warning, what are the likely outcomes?

EDIT: For clarification, I feel that the current situation on the ground in the war (vs. say a year ago) might indicate that an attack on Russia might not result in instant nuclear war, which is what prompted my question. I am well aware of the “instant nuclear Armageddon” opinion.

Serious question. I don’t need to be called stupid. I realize nuclear war is bad. Thanks!

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  • It is a complete crapshoot because it all fepends on whether thechain of people between Putin and the missles are more interested in going out with him.

    What I expect to happen with an invasion:

    NATO invades and quickly disables a ton of Russian military objectives. This is because Russia is already flailling with Ukraine due to lack of discipline and outdated tech that theybhave mostly lost already. Plus they can't do waves of conscript tactics at a moment's notice.

    Putin loses it and tries to launch the missiles knowing it is the end of hos time in power. His military advisors refuse the order and stage a coup, killing Putin and blaming NATO, then fight a half hearted conventional defense for show before negotiating a ceasefire.

    But that is just my thought and the risk of a nuclear launch makes it a terrible idea to launch a surprise invasion as some nuclear sub might respond tonthe invasion if their cummunication is cut off.

  • A lot of people are focusing on what Russia would do but this would also alarm every single country that isn't in good terms with NATO and they would also start mobilizing their armies. China, NK, and maybe even the middle east would retaliate if nato was this aggressive.

  • Because Putin is a “So much for your fucking canoe!” kind of leader. I think most world leaders are if they have the chance. Look what we still say about France for surrendering in WW2, they get plenty of mockery despite being the very nation that helped the US exist in the first place.

    So the default is that the worst of the rich and powerful like Putin have the relationship with their citizens and country that a narcissistic, severe domestic abuser has with their partner:

    “If I can’t have you, no one will…”

    (Canoe ref if you don’t know it, sorry for the shit site)

  • kinda depends on what china would do.

    china is one of the only reasons russia is still standing on their feet. if china wanted, russia would be out of ukraine tomorrow.

    nato vs china is ww3

  • Eric Schlosser's book, "Command and Control" may be of interest to you. I found it hard to put down.

    Daniel Ellsberg's book, "The Doomsday Machine" might come closer to answering your question, but I have not read it.

  • what are the likely outcomes?

    Putin launches nukes, huge amount of civilians die, russian military is crushed within next few months. NATO wins at the cost of horrible loss of civilians killed by russian nukes. World economy shrinks considerably

    • So, this is the same analysis I read like a year ago. Do you feel that the current situation is not different enough now to indicate an alternate course of events?

      • Do you feel that the current situation is not different enough

        Putin has the exact same number of nukes and ICBMs as before. This is the main factor, and I don't see it changing any time soon

      • I’m not who you asked, but I’ll answer anyway: no

  • I haven't been paying to much attention to the news but I've heard that other, non-NATO, countries have threatened some of the countries that are just simply giving aid to Ukraine. So, I'd assume that those other countries would get involved in some way and just make things worse for everyone.

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