‘Stop bullshitting me’: Biden said to scold Netanyahu in call on truce-hostage deal
‘Stop bullshitting me’: Biden said to scold Netanyahu in call on truce-hostage deal
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It’s about 6 months too late, maybe more, but I’ll take it
Now maybe try some kind of fuckin consequences maybe, before another 10% of the population of Gaza gets buried under rubble or dies of scurvy or infection or being shot by a sniper
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I agree, but it's all relative. This is coming from Biden who has been a huge supporter of Israel, letting them do pretty much whatever they want to do since forever. This seems like a huge step for the man, given where he's coming from.
edit: Just realized I wasn't super clear. I was referring to the consequences part and how even if we want that, just Biden saying something as was reported is a pretty big step from where we were. I pretty much agree completely with @mozz@mbin.grits.dev.
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Where does the 10% number come from? It's less than 1.5% and it includes Hamas terrorists as well.
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The thirty-whatever thousand number is direct deaths that can be observed and counted up, I.e. a vast undercount of the actual number.
The Lancet determined a couple of months ago that you could at that point conservatively estimate about 186,000 dead, 7.9% of the population. Conditions haven’t been improving in the couple months since that happened and it was a conservative estimate anyway, so I said 10%. The truth is there’s a lot of uncertainty, it could be higher or lower than that, but saying it’s 1.5% is definitely wrong.
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The % is irrelevant. Those are humans being killed. Many of them women and children.
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Oh no, not another heated exchange of words.
Anyways, time to ship more 2,000 pound bombs over there.
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Pretty much.
Better wag that finger even harder.
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Then vote for me.
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a senior Israeli official [said] that Netanyahu has been feeling more emboldened to strike Iran since Biden’s July 21 decision to drop out of the 2024 US presidential race.
STOP SENDING ARMS TO ISRAEL! Seriously. If we stopped sending arms today, Israel still has enough ammo to slaughter Palestinians for another 8 months. Stopping arms sales wouldn't hinder the Israelis' war, but it might give enough pause to help Palestinian peace.
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If Netanyahu wants Trump in office there's not much out there with a higher impact than getting an American Carrier group sucked into a war with Iran and then publicly saying the democrats aren't willing to really fight. Add in assertions they're putting Americans in danger without letting them defend themselves...
Yeah, Biden dropping out was good but it opened the door to some real fuckery because Biden just cannot bring himself to realize the problem in the ME right now is Israel.
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Having the US overthrow yet another government in the ME isn’t going to fix things
And yes the threat is Israel escalating the war to force the US to help
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There is also a theory that people tend do choose more masculine leaders in times of war
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227054-600-war-torn-countries-prefer-masculine-leaders/
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Stopping arms sales wouldn’t hinder the Israelis’ war,
Gosh if only there were some way to take away those bombs.
Oh well.
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Also it would halt any dreams that Israel has of attacking Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria. They would not have the supplies in order to wage a war against people who have actual armies.
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Bibi:
Why? It works every time with no consequences.
Why anyone would tolerate a guy like this to avoid short-term fallout is a part of politics I can't understand. It seems to me that a single partner being willing to bite the bullet would defeat him.
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China's final warning == Russia's final warning == Biden's final warning.
The only reason I see to take this even half seriously is because Biden doesn't have anything left to lose.
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Jack if you keep fooling me like this I'm gonna have to send only 2 billion worth of bombs next month. jk I would never do that, I love you mother
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„Stopping israel from annihilating the Palestinian people is distancing us from a peaceful solution”
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Harris needs to put Netanyahu in his place.
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How about, you know, actually let her create and execute foreign policy before you judge her. She’s clearly started distancing herself from Biden’s carte blanche approach, but it’s not a good idea (electorally) to move to fast on that front, because AIPAC throws a LOT of cash around.
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To be fair, while this may be her likely answer, she hasn't spoken anything definitive on the issue. There is room for optisism even if it isn't high.
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I would argue its the reverse, most the media is a corporate/billionaire owned. Billionaire and corporate media isnt going to act in the public's best interest.
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Call me when Biden starts doing something about it, Netanyahu isn't going to stop.
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I like how the shitty MBFC bot suspiciously isn't in this thread.
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It is in this thread, it posted two days ago with a high reliability rating. People downvoted the shit out of it.
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Ah, that's because I've blocked it
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Then promptly sends a few billion more in money and weapons.
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Lol
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Oh COME THE FUCK ON
At this point MBFC bot is just taking the piss on purpose
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This bot is on some shit lol
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Are you trying to tell me "Iran said to dismiss US, Arab calls for restraint — even if it sparks war" and "IDF says slain Al Jazeera reporter was a Hamas commando, took part in Oct. 7 massacre" aren't fully credible, highly factual, left-center ways of summarizing what's currently happening in the Middle East?
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The bot is accurate. Most people getting mad at Times of Israel are just getting mad because Jews. It's nominally accurate, and most of the political scandals of Israel itself are reported there. It's clearly not propaganda.
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Wtf? Lol
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The actual fuck is wrong with you
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There is a particular type of propaganda account that likes to insert nonsense into the discourse, just to interfere with people who want to have reasonable discussions. This article has more about it -- search for Peter Pomerantsev; he's quoted in that talking about it.
Of course I'm not saying the person you're replying to is doing that. I for-real genuinely have no idea whether it's that, or they're just a person with some odd ideas about geopolitics, and anyway it would be illegal for me to make that type of speculation.
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So many things.
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Lost_My_Mind
Well the username is apt at least
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I think you're talking about this
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Hey OP this is kinda old news it was trending when I got up this morning at 5am.
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Well some of us like to sleep in till 10am!
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This is no different than the other 5 times we've heard about Biden scolding or begging or setting red lines with Netanyahu behind closed doors, while continuing to send them weapons and protecting them from anyone trying to stop the genocide.
No matter how many Palestinians Biden helps them kill, Israel will support the republicans because they pledge to double it.
Supporting Israel is not just morally repugnant, it's a mistake.
Biden was the most fanatical supporter of Israel in the 80s. Even Ronald Reagan told Israel to GTFO out of Beirut when he saw the barbarity of the IDF in the early 80s. He said to the then PM of Israel that they were doing a holocaust. Even when the PM tried to admonish Reagan by telling him 'don't tell me about holocaust, I know about the holocaust' Reagan told him to fuck off and withdraw or he will withdraw support.
After hanging up Reagan turned to an aide and said 'I had no idea I had that kind of power'.