16 false Trump electors face felony charges in Michigan
16 false Trump electors face felony charges in Michigan
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16 false Trump electors face felony charges in Michigan
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Since I expect I’ll have to suffer several members of the conservative hive-mind moaning about this tomorrow, I did some quick research beforehand:
Here is a list of those who are charged.
This video shows the Republicans trying to enter the MI Capitol.
At ~35 seconds in, several people claim to be the state’s electors.
In no particular order, I think I have identified the following:
The woman between the orange beanie and red mitts at 60 seconds looks to me like MI GOP Chair Meshawn Maddock, who is among the charged.
The woman in the bottom left corner of the screen at 3 minutes and 19 seconds in looks to me like Michele Lundgren, a GOP former nominee for a House seat in Detroit which she lost in a major landslide, who is among the charged.
The woman near the bottom right of the screen at 3 minutes and 7 seconds in looks to me like MI GOP Vice chairperson Marian Sheridan, who is among the charged.
Papa Smurf on the left at 1 minute and 1 second looks to me like GOP member Ken Thompson, who is among the charged.
The woman in the bottom left at 1 second in looks to me like GOP member Rose Rook, who is among the charged.
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At what point should we declare the MI Republican party to be insurrectionists and disband that organization? It's not like it was some low ranking officials.
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After we talk about bOtH SiDEs for awhile and then completely forget about it.
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If it makes you feel better, the Michigan republican party is effectively dead. They lost every branch of government, their funding is pretty much dried up, they had abandon their longstanding headquarters and are now based out of a PO box.
Their former leadership is gone, and now they're run by an actual crazy person with a degree in Christian apologetics who insists the majority of voters are murderers for codifying the right to an abortion via ballot. They were an anti-vaxxer before covid, they think abortion is a "satanic ritual" and that yoga is a "demonic ceremony".
Just a week or two ago they made the news when two members got into a fistfight during a meeting, they're a circus.
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Which "we" are you talking about? I've already declared the whole Republican party a terrorist organization, but my declarations don't carry much weight.
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Another of the 16 electors, Michele Lundgren, said she was distraught over the charges and she questioned what evidence prosecutors had.
The 73-year-old Detroiter said she had simply received a call on Dec. 13, 2020, to be in Lansing the following day. While there, Lundgren signed what she thought was a sign-in sheet, she said.
“We signed a blank piece of paper," Lundgren said. "And that’s all can tell you."
This is going to be a super entertaining trial
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does she do whatever the phone says? If I were to call her and ask for $10,000 she'd pay me?
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Well she is the prime demographic for phone scams... so yeah, probably.
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We signed a blank piece of paper!
Mental capacity of a bucket of used syringes
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Imagine being dumb enough to commit a felony for a billionaire who hates you.
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"I'm going to jail for an NFT salesman." ---Unite the Right organizer and generally hideous fucker Baked Alaska
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Good, fuck em.
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Good. They’re all traitors who violated our Constitution and attempted to subvert democracy for their cult leader. Throw the book at every single one of them.
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This is good and proper.
These people are not “political prisoners”. They were part of an attempted coup, and should absolutely be prosecuted to the maximum extent that the law prescribes.
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Throw the fucking book at these old decrepit humans. Let them rot.
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So, was it their job to be electors and they falsified something, or was it not even their job and they lied about that plus falsified something?
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When states count the vote in a federal election they send a group of people called electors to the national congress. Those electors then cast that state's electoral votes according to state law (usually winner-take-all but a couple states split proportionally). These people falsely claimed to be the electors from Michigan, selected according to Michigan law, and they intended to infiltrate the meeting of the electoral college and fraudulently cast Michigan's electoral votes for Trump, who lost the state of Michigan in a free and fair election and was, by Michigan law, entitled to zero electoral votes. In doing so they also intended to deny Joe Biden the electoral votes of Michigan, which he had rightfully earned by winning a free and fair election.
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Ah, now I understand what was going on with them. Thank you for writing this all out for me.
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Based on the article's admittedly poorly-wordered description, it sounds like the former. I think they were the would-be electors had Trump won the state -- when called to the state's GOP HQ, they signed a document claiming to have met in the state capitol, though they had not. When that certificate was submitted, that's when the alleged fraud took place.
Note: IANAL, just trying to decipher the article
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Wisconsin next please.
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Man I want a big greasy cheeseburger so bad. Dieting is not an enjoyable experience.
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Some great FAFO going on.
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ayyyyylmao
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Elder abuse to go and trick these poor old ladies and gentlemen. It doesn't matter they were the ones stupid enough to fall for it, that's why we have elder abuse laws.
E. I see now that my joke was clunky and misunderstood. What I mean to say is it that these people don't get excused for being gullible pawns because what they did was criminal, and the people who organized this shit are much more culpable and should receive the more severe punishment. Luckily, these people are the same dumb assholes that made it law in Michigan to charge inmates $48,000 per year to be in prison, real real. So hopefully on the flip side of their sentences they are broke, in addition to being ex cons.
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Is your stance that 55 year olds are not in a mental capacity to be eligible to vote? That's much lower than I would have said.
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Kathy Berden, 70, of Snover William (Hank) Choate, 72, of Cement City Amy Facchinello, 55, of Grand Blanc Clifford Frost, 75, of Warren Stanley Grot, 71, of Shelby Township John Haggard, 82, of Charlevoix Mary-Ann Henry, 65, of Brighton Timothy King, 56, of Ypsilanti Michele Lundgren, 73, of Detroit Meshawn Maddock, 55, of Milford James Renner, 76, of Lansing Mayra Rodriguez, 64, of Grosse Pointe Farms Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw Marian Sheridan, 69, of West Bloomfield Ken Thompson, 68, of Orleans Kent Vanderwood, 69, of Wyominglol it's all boomers and cusp Gen X/boomer
Sadly, they'll all be found guilty but too old and white to actually go to prison for their crimes.
Beat me to it. This is exactly what I think will happen.
In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.
"You're too old to sit in a cell, so we're just not going to ever lay you to rest"
Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.
Oh come now, we have much worse punishments: they're now under conservatorship, by Britney Spears dad and are on their way to the cheapest old folks home in their state. They're "technology safe" so they can't access the internet for their own personal safety...
Ya know, old folks prison, where poor people go after their family forgets about them and they die of neglect.
All cocksuckers on Medicare and social security and probably bitching about socialism.
Please tell me that is a real place
Lollll your eyes do not deceive you: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Paw+Paw,+MI+49079/@42.2029794,-85.9141649,13z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x8817402b8757f4d9:0x591a5245dbb45a30!8m2!3d42.2178171!4d-85.8911246!16zL20vMHZyOGI
Michigan has a Hell, so there's no reason it can't have a Paw Paw.
A pawpaw is a real fruit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimina
"Mooom! Paw paw from Paw paw's trying to destroy our democracy again!"
I am pretty disappointed in the Gen X generation. I really thought we were going to be a lot more open minded and accepting of people than we have turned out to be.
Think of all the people you've known who were open minded and accepting and how small the number of them seemed compared to the majority when we were growing up. Know that a lot of those people probably went on to inspire those qualities in others and raise their kids to value those things. I've seen mainstream society come a long way from my childhood in the 80s and teens in the 90s.
I agree, I had a lot more hope for Gen X but we were up against the juggernaut of the boomer voting bloc. As those selfish fucks age out we're finally looking at the possibility of righting the ship.
I realized that the other day. My brother is gen z, and when I felt him out on lgbt issues (he's been raised in a very conservative bubble), he just doesn't care.
Then I realized - millennials were raised by gen x. I got a lot of ideas shoved in my head growing that took some time to unravel after I started to examine if my beliefs matched my morals... I just assumed he'd be in a similar position. But he's been taught by millennials and seen it in the media, he never learned those hang ups I had to get past
This weekend it hit me - Gen x is driving force behind all of this body autonomy bullshit
OLDS! THEY'RE OLD
Prime age to get their information from Facebook.
I blame dementia. I have a parent that's still a Trump supporter. It's as if they've lost the ability to use reason. I am pretty sure Trump could shoot them in the face and they'd still vote for/support him.
There's theories about the lead from leaded petrol doing a lot of brain damage before it was taken out.
He said in 2015 that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and people would still love him. One thing I will say is that Trump realized he could easily grift people like your parent. I am sorry, BTW. It sucks.
There are some younger people just as far gone as them but there aren't usually as many at Trump events
Can't wait to see it all play out. You just know these people won't accept responsibility and will blame others for their actions. I swear if they were 16-17 I wouldn't be surprised but GOD DAMN, they're all over 55 with 2 being over 80.
"We were just told to show up and sign this paper. If we had any information about it being untoward or illegal, we would not have done it"
That's Ms. Michele Lundgren making excuses already. Like, you thought it was totally legal to pretend to be electors to subvert an election? Come on.
There are two people in there over 80, but the oldest baby boomers are "only" 77...
No living wage, no money for education, no money for health care, working three jobs to survive, and the world temperature and scarcity of housing are accelerating...
...but sure, let's celebrate. This totally matters.
These are some of the people who fought to create those problems, including fighting against democracy itself to ensure it.
It's not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.
what?