“It was like a fight between two packs of dogs,” said an officer, describing the struggle for one of the areas, Urozhaine. But “there came a moment when it made no sense to keep people there.”
Ok OP, I've been seeing your posts here and they almost always seem to have an anti-west take on things. I try to read news from both sides of the aisle and make my own conclusions, so I'm genuinely curious: why do you think Ukraine should roll over and hand over their lands to Russia, or alternately, why is Russia justified in this war (that apparently they did provoke)?
Because it's obvious to anybody with a functioning brain that Ukraine will lose this war, and the only thing that's being accomplished in the process is that hundreds of thousands people die, and millions more have their lives ruined. Prolonging the conflict will not change the outcome.
The whole angle to talk about justifying the war is just empty moralizing. The reality of geopolitics is that might makes right. This is what US led "rules based" order has established since the fall of USSR. NATO has invaded and destroyed numerous countries, and they were able to do that because nobody could stand up to them. There were no consequences for any western leaders, and no justifications are necessary. Now Russia is doing the same, the only reason westerners seem to be upset about it is because it's somebody else doing the same things the west has been doing.
Hadn't the Ukraine military been attacking its own cities in the border territories since 2015? Seems like the Ukrainians didn't really want the areas that much to begin with, so why not let those areas be taken by Russia?
Not OP but Ukraine should grant the people they've been oppressing their right to self determination. This is not rolling over, it's stopping their belligerent occupation.
Russia is justified in seeking its security from the provocations of a fascist puppet state dictatorship of the USA, the world greatest mass murdering warmonger, currently engaged in an ongoing genocide elsewhere.
Ukraine should grant the people they've been oppressing their right to self determination.
Not sure I understand this. You mean people on Crimea and maybe east Ukraine that would be in majority ethnically Russian, or is it something else? Sorry if it's daft question, I don't really know the geopolitics in this region.
FUCK RUSSIA! FUCK PUTIN! FUCK EVERY AVERAGE RUSSIAN WHO THINKS INVADING A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE IT IS FINE AND JUSTIFIES IT WITH "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT!" FUCK EVERY FASCIST OUT THERE!
I'm not brave. Every Ukrainian who has fought,bled, and died despite the odds is brave. For every Ukrainian soldier lost, I hope Russia loses 10.