Blahaj Lemmy state of the shark - Our goals, politics and recent events
Blahaj Lemmy state of the shark - Our goals, politics and recent events
Whilst this is not a local only post/community, it is primarily intended for blahaj lemmy members. Top level replies from non blahaj accounts will be removed.
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I want to take the moment to clarify the Blahaj Lemmy position on things, given recent events and the fallout that has followed. This will give people the chance to decide for themselves if blahaj zone lemmy is the right space for them, or if it doesn't meet their needs.
First and foremost, blahaj zone lemmy exists to give a space for queer folk to exist, with their needs explicitly protected as the highest priority, and with a particular focus on the needs of gender diverse folk. Most lemmy instances are not run by trans folk, and whilst many are still inclusive, they don't always prioritise our needs. Others barely consider trans folk, and react only to the most blatant of bigotry.
We are not a political instance, however political communities have a space here, as does any community that is actively protective of the needs of queer and gender diverse folk. Given the impact of politics on gender diverse folk, that means lots of dialogue and strong opinions exist, and as long as those opinions are honestly held, and not bigoted or exclusive, people are welcome to have and express those opinions here.
For what it's worth, I am a member of the Greens Party in Australia. I have no time for the middle ground politics of the Australian Labor party, let alone the right wing beliefs of the Australian Liberal party. Yet a community of queer Labor Party aligned folk would fit on blahaj lemmy, because the parties ideologies, are not explicitly anti queer. A community aligned with the Australian Liberal party likely would not have a place here, unless the goal of the community was to work at actively challenging the anti queer policies of the party.
That being said, political communities (or any other communities) that exist solely to target and take aim at other queer folk have no place here either. The goal of blahaj lemmy is queer inclusion, and a community whose sole goal is division, will be removed.
The downside to this is that as we assume good faith in members and we don't gatekeep or deny access to people because of their pronouns or gender identity, (even when those identities are challenging to many) it is possible for bad faith actors to take advantage of our inclusive policies. Unfortunately, that's just something we are going to have to navigate as it occurs, because I won't let bad faith folk push this instance to defaulting to exclusion or gatekeeping the validity of someone's identity. I will respect a trolls pronouns even as I ban them, because to not do so, normalises the idea that pronouns are something that are earned by good behaviour, or that other people have a say in the validity of another person's identity and pronouns.
So that's where we stand. Hopefully this will help people decide for themselves whether or not this is the right instance for them.
Once again Ada cuts through the bullshit elegantly and unapologetically. This is 100% the home for me
👏👏👏👏
There isn’t a thing here I don’t agree with. Which affirms that this is the right place for me.
Yeah, even to my outsider eyes, that does seem an incredibly reasonable and well thought out statement. “Everybody is welcome - but these are our rules.” One of the strangely most adult things I’ve read for a bit…
Welcome to moderation by Ada. One of the most levelheaded people I know of.
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Many thanks to Ada here for the wisdom and patience it takes to navigate these challenges. Running an instance is hard enough; throwing user politics into the mix (especially those around trans identities) makes things down right treacherous.
I'd support policies aligned with expected user behaviors and punishments for violations. Bad faith actors are going to try to burrow their way in here, and they're going to make themselves known by testing boundaries and creeping up on the lines of what counts as unacceptable behavior. I'm comfortable with those kinds of edging-trolls being shown the door.
I appreciate everything you and the other admins do to keep this a trans and queer centered instance 🩷🩵🤍
Likewise. This isn't my home instance but it makes me happy to see overtly queer spaces here on Lemmy; I'm not trans, but my life has been immeasurably improved by being in community with trans people.
Thank you Ada. I appreciate the work you do here 💜
i 100% agreed with the respecting a trolls pronouns thing, until i came here. i still do, with the notable exception that i will not respect someone's pronouns when those pronouns make me feel sexually exploited - and when those pronouns have absolutely nothing to do with gender and are more about making a mockery of trans people and playing out a power fantasy over other people.
ban me for this if you want but i haven't spoken directly about this situation on this instance precisely because i expect to be banned for doing so, and it's simply not the same as any other situation with pronouns. the pronouns themselves are the issue. i'm a discord mod and sometimes i have to ban trolls with obviously racist, transphobic, or nazi pronouns - i don't respect those either. i can't see this situation as any different when the pronouns themselves genuinely make some people feel unsafe.
i would also add that you cannot have an instance without politics. trying to do so is making a political decision, and it is one that ultimately invites fascism. i would love it if all trans people had politics that were safe to be around. but they don't.
when those pronouns have absolutely nothing to do with gender and are more about making a mockery of trans people and playing out a power fantasy over other people.
If and when you can demonstrate evidence that that is what was happening, I will act on it, but until then, as I stated, I'm not willing to gatekeep people's identities on my personal assessment of their validity. That's not going to change.
I can and will moderate on behaviour however, but in the case of the person I believe you are referring to, after a moderation chat I've seen no evidence of continuing behaviour at odds with our instance guidelines.
i can't see this situation as any different when the pronouns themselves genuinely make some people feel unsafe.
If someone's pronouns make you feel unsafe, that's more of an issue you need to work on than anything else IMO. I know I've struggled with "it" as a pronoun, because it's historically a slur that has been targeted against our community. Seeing people use it made me deeply uncomfortable, and when I first heard it, I assumed, as you're assuming, that the people using it were doing it in bad faith. I've since come to understand that my assumptions were incorrect, and that my discomfort is my issue to work through, not something I get to force on to others.
And until such time as we find a way of reading people's minds to determine their intentions, all we can do is respect what they tell us about who they are, and respond to their behaviour.
If you disagree with that approach, then you're likely to find your experience here frustrating.
i would also add that you cannot have an instance without politics
Of course not. As I said in the post that you're replying to, political communities are welcome here. This is especially true, because of the impact that politics has on our lives as queer folk.
forcing people to capitalise the pronoun "you" is absolutely nothing to do with gender. there is a huge difference between using a pronoun for someone that you feel could sound dehumanising (and for what it's worth, i use it primarily because it was used as a slur towards me when i was younger) and requiring people to treat another person like a deity or a dom. it's not a me problem, it's abusive behaviour. i have absolutely no problem with neopronouns or xenogenders and have come out to support xenos many times. this is not that.
this is why you need politics in a community. i'm not talking about just political communities, but a political direction to your moderation. you're suffering from a paradox of tolerance. you're tolerating - and enforcing the toleration of - abusive behaviour because you lack the political instinct to see what is wrong with it. that makes this instance unsafe for trans people.
if someone comes on here and insists their pronouns are
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are you going to tolerate that? this may be more subtle but it is ultimately no different.
ultimately you're right. i did find my experience here frustrating, and i also found it pretty frustrating watching my partner, who was more active here, suffer through all this bullshit. we've both left, as have a number of others, and i hope you're happy that your decisions have forced out so many trans people from your supposedly safe community. i'm not expecting you to change your ways at this point, but seriously. this is fucked up, and your openness is being exploited. i feel bad for the people here.
I fully believe in using a person's preferred pronouns even if they're using it in bad faith. The flip side though is that if your identity or pronoun is very uncommon or has stringent rules, you need to accept that people will accidentally get it wrong from time to time. This isn't unique to pronouns, anything from gender, sexuality, names, politics, religion, occupation, ect. the less common it is the more confusion and explaining.
We need to be accepting of mistakes otherwise we'll be unwelcoming to newcomers and we'll fracture the different branches of LGBT over "rules lawyering".
Finally I feel like I should put in a word about my brief experience with Links. I was very against non voting and we debated in the comments, but we reached a common ground and sympathized about the dire state of everything and our fears about project 2025. We didn't change each other's mind but it was a very civil and positive end to what usually becomes a heated argument online. So in my experience I believe Links was not a bad actor and vocally shared the same concerns that the queer community has.
From an admin perspective, I expect misgendering to be corrected by the person who made the mistake once it has been made clear, or otherwise thee post in question might be removed. However, unless it's a pattern of repeated misgendering that's the extent of my involvement. Banning someone would take a lot more than slipping up on a pronoun
Finally I feel like I should put in a word about my brief experience with Links. I
Non voters was not run by Links. Links ran LibertyHub. I took zero action again Links.
I know, I just felt the need to express my experience with him since he's involved. I wanted to show people looking into this that he's not a bad actor. When it comes to drama good things often go unsaid.
As a spectator with no stake in what happened, except of course wanting people to feel comfortable, I feel like two things were still left unaddressed:
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It looked like the owner of the affected community was driven out by something that almost resembled a witch hunt, with accusations that appeared to be unfounded or even maliciously pushed by people opposing the views or moderation style of the community.
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There was a particular user who stood out to me because they tried to respond to as many posts as possible, seemingly fueling the drama, or at least actively pushing their opinion on everyone. I feel like this is not the appropriate way to interact in such a forum, nor healthy for that individual.
What did the admins do or are planning to do in regards to these concerns?
It looked like the owner of the affected community was driven out by something that almost resembled a witch hunt, with accusations that appeared to be unfounded or even maliciously pushed by people opposing the views or moderation style of the community.
That's not something I can speak to from an admin perspective. I wasn't active in the community, and unless it was reported or otherwise brought to my attention, I saw very little of it, so I don't really have a great sense of Links specific reasons for departing.
What I do know, is that Links left on good terms with me, and expressed thanks for the blahaj community.
There was a particular user who stood out to me because they tried to respond to as many posts as possible, seemingly fueling the drama, or at least actively pushing their opinion on everyone
There were two users at the center of much of the recent drama. One has recently been banned and their communities removed, after it became clear that their goals were divisive and targeted.
I've spoken to the other user privately, and addressed some of the issues that arose, and since then, I've seen no indication that the problems have re-surfaced.
That's as much detail as I'm willing to go in to on moderation of individuals.
I'm from lemm.ee (because of its anti-defederation stance; I want the whole firehose of as many Lemmy instances as possible) but I've always felt especially comfortable seeing and interacting with content and users from your instance.
And I'm incredibly grateful that you are actually trying to accommodate it/its identities, because I definitely am one. I recognize difficulty in actually asking others to refer to me as such because they're used to "it" being disrespectful and cruel, or if they're the kind of person who would call someone an "it" to insult them, I'd be outing myself as the kind of being they don't want to talk to. But when I see you making an effort... It means the world to me 💜
The friends of mine have gotten used to that aspect of me... Every time they refer to me this way, I feel so... Just .... Good? Good! Seen, heard, acknowledged, understood, known. It matters :3
Thank you for running blåhaj zone. It's my favorite by far. Maybe I might even switch instances, but it'd be more convenient if it didn't come to that.
edit: is there a donation link? I must be lost in plain sight. I'd like to contribute a little material support...
Edit again: FOUND IT! :DRegarding what I called a "witch hunt", it seemed like some users quickly jumped on board accusing the previous owner of the libertyhub community of intentionally misgendering a user, when it appeared to be a singular slip up ("you" instead of "You"), that he quickly apologized for and fixed. Maybe there were valid concerns regarding the moderation of that community and it was indeed the right choice for the owner to step down – I am totally missing the context for this – but I felt like there was a large focus on the wrong issue that might've driven him away from Lemmy.
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Ada is the best admin I've seen on Lemmy so far, keep up the good work.
the only good bad actors are those in my theatre group. :3
thank you for the instance i love it here <3
Lemmy is the only social media I actively interact with because of the unwavering support from Ada and Kaity to make this a safe space for all trans and queer people. I really feel at home here.
Beep boop, thanks for the work you do for the community.
This is definitely the instance for me. Thank you Ada!!
Hell yeah, keep up the good work. Love this community
Thank you for your work, Ada!
Thank you for this post <3
Maybe this is off topic but I'm relatively new to Lemmy from Reddit and I'm curious about how upvotes / downvotes and moderation work here and what the philosophy is guiding it.
If I see a post here on blahaj zone or elsewhere on Lemmy that isn't against the rules but it's disrespectful or misguided, my instinct is to downvote it, so it might be hidden from others unless they click to see it.
When downvotes are disabled, these comments always have positive karma, and you can only tell that the community doesn't support what they say based on the difference between the small number of upvotes of the disrespectful post vs the large number of upvotes on the post calling them out.
I guess my question boils down to:
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how does the Lemmy/blahaj karma system work and what is the philosophy of how it is better/different from Reddit?
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Is there a way to sort comments so the "low karma" (but not new) comments are at the bottom, or hidden?
Thanks for considering! And making a community that feels good to be a part of <3
On Lemmy, both upvotes and downvotes are aggregated together to give a post a sort of "score". Currently, your post has 1 upvote, which would be yourself. If I were to upvote your post, this number would become 2. If 2 people were to downvote your post, however, it would become a -1. This does make it harder to judge the full reaction to a post, but some clients add a percentage next to this score to show the overall amount of people who upvoted vs downvoted. Also note that some Lemmy forks (like Mastodon or KBin) are also a microblogging platform that may not take upvotes/downvotes into as much consideration as opposed to other options.
As for sorting, that is highly instance/client dependant as different instances can use different filters and algorithms to show you the same labelled sort category.
Keep in mind that Lemmy was never supposed to be a reddit "replacement" and is its own platform entirely, some features do not have direct translations in that way. I would also like to say I moved to Lemmy during the initial reddit migration and learned from many meta posts explaining these topics then, if someone has better/more detailed information feel free to correct me.
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Thank you for your work and level head Ada. You keep this community a safe and accepting place.
I wasn't involved but this seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Carry on 👌
I am a blahaj member. The AusGreens have shown when I was a member that they are not afraid to dance the transphobic tango. AusLabor is pro trans and transphobia is much rarer. Don't pretend like the greens are some knights of Australian Leftists.
The greens inability to deal with their internal TERFs is a huge problem. It's the main reason I'm not terribly active with them despite being a member.
My issues with Labor are bigger than their trans policy though
Yeah unfortunately it seems like TERFs hide well there, as when I attended meetings as a member, there was about 2-3 people wearing TERF/similar shirts and things, and the topic came up once or twice. I reported this, to never get a reply.
No doubt that the Australian Greens have had, and continue to have, issues with transphobia. However, I think it's disingenuous to say they are definitively a transphobic party. For example, Samantha Ratnam, the leader of the Victorian Greens, has been incredibly vocal in her support of trans members, as has Senator Janet Rice, as has federal party leader Adam Bandt.
This is a pretty typical M.O. for TERFs, to specifically target progressive social movements from within and turn them against transgender persons. Are you suggesting that we roll over and give up, and just let the TERFs takeover the party? Like, I'm sorry, but I'm not a single issue voter. I care strongly about things like climate change, drug decriminalisation & harm reduction, reduction of the police force, sex worker rights and healthcare. Victorian Labor are very pro-cop for example, and I try hard to acknowledge my privilege as white by considering how that affects my queer PoC siblings first and foremost.
This comment feels like you're trolling honestly, especially because you say you're a Blahaj member instead of just commenting with your Blahaj account...
I should say, the reason I did not comment using my account was because I was accidentally banned in a wave, which has now been reversed. No need to have a tanty over it. Yeah another thing, I'm Trans and Indigenous, not just some white dude commenting. One more, I'm not rolling over, it's just I have reported the TERFs and been ignored by the greens. And while I am replying, I think that the police need a massive chunk of reform, but we need to stop pretending like cops/rule enforcement isn't somehow necessary. No matter what society, there will always be people who do vile, disgusting and horrible things and unfortunately I live in an area with that happening a lot, so please know I don't live in some rich place with no crime and no reason to have cops. I care a lot about healthcare as someone who has conditions regularly requiring help, aswell as climate change as a young person. I don't think the whole Greens are TERFS, just it has a serious issue with it.
the reception you, once again, got to a nothinburger response very much confirms this is not an apolitical instance, but a lib instance. that's as much as your voting habits count for.
ps. are you finally gonna tell us whether fascist trans folks are welcome or not? no skin off my tits at this point, i just think people deserve to know.
We're not an apolitical instance. We're not a political instance, but that doesn't mean we're apolitcal. I quite explicitly described both my own political position, and a clear bias against right wing spaces in terms of communities that are allowed.
are finally gonna tell us whether fascist trans folks are welcome or not? no skin off my tits at this point, i just think people deserve to know.
My post outlined my own strong left political beliefs, highlighted the instance bias against conservative political communities, and explicitly stated that bigoted and exclusionary opinions are not welcome.
If you think fascism somehow has a home here after all of that, then either you didn't read my post, you misunderstand the nature of facism or you're not acting in good faith.
Rule.
The POOR HORSES why do people do this??
You did what with how many horses? To each their own, sir. To each their own.
Signed With Love, Rule.