The idea of not allowing anonymity for protesters has its origins in combating racial violence and the KKK. Klan members suddenly lost a lot of their motivation to assemble in public, once they had to show their faces, those that did were less likely to commit illegal acts and the ones that did break the law were more likely to face legal reprocutions.
The contemplated ban on masks for protesters in Los Angeles was considered following increased violence by masked protesters and was not motivated by covid denial.
We weren't living in a world with cameras everywhere when the KKK needed to be attacked so vigorously. Times have changed and things should be updated. Especially in a world where bigots are fine marching without masks (see Charlottesville).
Sure, a environment guaranteed to enable the rapid spread of any transmissible disease. I bet this ban wouldn't apply to MAGA since they are not protesters. Just concerned citizens with hateful banners and firearms.
This is evidence that reading headlines from articles posted by u/return2ozma actually make you less informed and not more.
48 upvotes for claiming the mask ban was ignorant, when it was for protestors, and had nothing to do with Covid.
Warning dear sir, never assume a fair headline from an article posted by u/return2ozma.
A mask ban for protesters would also limit our ability to stop a pandemic spreading. Mask bans are a bad idea (especially with creepy af facial recognition around).
Ah, sweet sweet karma. Unfortunately modern medicine for an Important Person with lots of money will limit its reach, but I hope she has a really unpleasant reaction to the antivirals.
This is notably the woman who, in response to a protest of West Bank land sales that was understaffed by the police said the answer is not to boost police presence at contentious protests, but just to do what she wanted to do already, have more police patrols.
On the one hand LA county has a massive crime issue and the masks aren't helping. On the other hand, even without masks they still had a crime problem anyway because LASD (almost $4bn budget) sucks at their jobs and there isn't a lot of support of the current Sherrif from deputies that has been trying to fix them. LAPD ($2bn budget) basically only takes care of the main part of LA city proper itself.
Where I live break-in response times are around 4 hours and anything under that is measured in days, if they show up at all.
Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
The post title is the same as as the article title. As of right now, article title is: Los Angeles’s Mayor Was Contemplating a Mask Ban. She Just Got Covid.
I didn't say he changed it, but he links these kinds of misinforming stories all the time.
I originally wrote the article was misleading, but since they correct the misleading headline already in the first sentence, that wasn't really true.
So I changed it to the headline which is what is actually misleading.
But since this is misunderstood, I have now changed it back.
The fact of the matter is that u/return2ozma is flooding lemmy.world with misleading stories with misleading headlines, no matter how much they are the original headlines, they remain misleading. Those are often stories that in no way deserve to be spread.
It's about responding to somewhat opposing public safety concerns. As someone else pointed out in this thread, when protestors are allowed to wear masks they are more likely to commit illegal acts, even violent ones. SARS-CoV-2 is no longer a novel virus. There is now significant immunity in the population and our COVID treatments are much improved, meaning the virus no longer constitutes a public health emergency.
Are we talking about N95s? Oh, hang on, I recognize this username, we're talking about whatever delusions you're having today.
The weirdest thing about masks is how easy it was to brainwash the "muh freedoms" crowd against covering their faces just by having a clown in orange facepaint say masks are effeminate. Hope you all enjoy having your entries in everyone's facial recognition database.
I am actually just going with "muh science" and "muh statistics" on this one... But if all you guys pretend that masks and lockdowns worked then maybe it will become true!
The strangest part of this was how conservatives used to be the ones pushing for wearing masks as alternatives to vaccinations, because the mindless fear of needles goes waaay back. See, chances are I'm older than you, so I've seen these cycles repeat themselves over and over. You've only seen it once or twice tops.
What happens is that a politician will dangle a new fear over you, and you will attach to that fear because that's how our brains work. I am talking universally, not specific to one party or ideology, this is how we ALL work, and leftists are equally guilty of grifting their base the same way.
But you HAVE to understand where this came from, why you're fighting with people about this, where this came from.
Never mind that people have been wearing face covering for millenia to reduce spreading disease, we have paintings and etching of lepers and plague victims going back thousands of years wearing something to prevent accidental spreading of saliva or body fluids. This isn't a complicated idea, and a lot of people wear face coverings anyway to prevent illness or for safety around immunocompromised people. This isn't new, this isn't something that was planned or contrived, the ONLY reason you're having arguments with people about face masks of all things is because someone out there knows how to connect your brain to a story to explain how it feels. To make you expend your energy on this, not making our world better or focusing on your elected representatives and what they're signing into law, and I bet it works great. I bet you don't get involved in your local politics. Nobody does, nobody spends as much energy on their actual neighborhoods as they do arguing online about props.
See, like with a lot of other things, a lot of us were unsure and worried about the future, so a lot of people trying to get power used masks as their props to fixate that insecurity on. I am not even going to talk about their effectiveness or not, it's like wearing a hat in the sun, sure it won't save you from sunburns but it's just a thing we do to try our best to protect what we can, it's not a big deal.
Your brain is not a tool of logic and reason, that's an illusion. It's a tool to tell you a story to explain how you feel. And it LOVES when someone provides a story for it. Because your brain wants a story that makes sense, not one that's accurate. There is a difference. A lot of things can make sense and not be true.
It should be a giant, glaring alarm that someone is fucking with your brain when you start feeling contentious about what other people wear on their faces. That HAS to trigger something deep inside that makes you wonder why you're so emotionally connected to this "debate."
You got chains around you and they're going to keep attaching chains until you realize how deeply you're playing in the WWE theater of political rhetoric. Let this one go, just walk away, it's objectively a nonsense campaign designed to distracted you.
The outraged reply you're already pounding out in your head is part of that distraction. You are giving your soul away to others to use as they will. Doesn't that bother you?
The reason I am fighting about this is because those jackasses lied to us and didnt let people work. I literally had to nearly lay off all of my staff because of this shutdown bullshit. People that couldnt go on unemployment and would have just been fucked. What I care about is the truth, not the propaganda and lies. I am not on one of your guys teams, I am person that likes to think for myself and actually look at facts not propaganda. The story above is obvious propaganda, and I will fight that whenever I see it.
So, what's your position on people who cover their mouth when they cough/sneeze? Do you like, spread your "underground" news with them? That surgeons only wear all that stuff because it's a Big Pharma scam? There's so much out there, countless videos people made showing how masks help prevent the spread of disease, not just Covid, in case you thought somehow Bill Gates 5G microchips were like, specific.
Which Fox News/far right extremist "underground" source you listen to on the daily? I wanna know which sound bites you like to repeat like a parrot, but pass off as your own.
Do surgeons wear masks from a bin at home depot too? Personally I dont care about the rhetoric, I care about data and the data for masks working were not there. The evidence that lockdowns worked was non existent because they didnt. All the shit you made us do didnt work, and that is obvious if you look at actual number not dumb stories like the one this post is about.
Yeah I get it, all of the major institutions were on onboard. There is a difference between propaganda to get people to do a thing and actual results. Here is a quiz you can take to illistrate! https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/