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2024 Federation Check-In Voting Completed

Hello users of Hexbear, we wanted to do a federation check-in.

So far these are the instances in question but please use this post as a suggestion for other instances to either federate with or defederate from or to comment your thoughts on federation in general.

~~kbin.social / fedia.io~~

Please comment to vote:

indicates you want to federate with all the instances listed above

indicates you want to defederate with all the instances listed above

indicates you would like to defederate with some and federate with others (please include what instances you want for each)

Here are some relevant posts/comments:

https://hexbear.net/comment/4515862

https://hexbear.net/comment/4510892

(Nath is an aussie.zone admin)

https://hexbear.net/post/1592684

https://hexbear.net/post/369410

(we would selectively not federate with their /c/196 community)

kbin.social and fedia.io are kbin and mbin respectively which is very similar but also distinct from lemmy. These are the two largest instances but we may look to add more in the future. There is an issue with those two as they deanonymize the modlog and allow users to inspect the upvotes for a post/comment. If users vote to federate with kbin/mbin instances and we experience moderator harassment they will be defederated from immediately.

My personal opinion follows:

I think that lemm.ee primary worth is the 1.7k daily active users.

programming.dev has active programming communities

aussie.zone has a lot of australia specific communities

lemmy.blahaj.zone has specific queer communities

~~kbin.social and fedia.io value is from userbase~~

https://the-federation.info/platform/184

https://the-federation.info/platform/290

https://the-federation.info/platform/73

hexbear is 1.75k users per month compared to .ee 3.6k and kbin.social 4.6k

Removed kbin and mbin due to moderation / user self-deletion federation problems

274 comments

It was a massive culture shock to all involved at first. The drama has calmed significantly in recent months. Let's just stay fedding and expose all to our bearish powers

Obviously the real issue remains that some are happy to be a wartime instance, and some want this to be a purely safe 100% hexbear instance. So long as this remains that way there will be conflict. Maybe we should have some dedicated hexbear(/lemmygrad) only comms?
- The drama has calmed significantly in recent months.
  Yes, because users like me who do not want to spend time on a reddit clone have largely moved to sites that aren't active mental health hazards for us.
  Obviously the real issue remains that some are happy to be a wartime instance, and some want this to be a purely safe 100% hexbear instance.
  I do not WANT this to a safe-ish instance, i NEED this or it is NOT USABLE TO ME. This isn't a question of how i like my treats, you liberal empathy void, this is a question of "can i exist safely and openly in this place or does this mean i'm exposing myself to persecution and harassment?"
  Maybe we should have some dedicated hexbear(/lemmygrad) only comms?
  Yeah, give the annoying quers their own instance so they shut up, that will solve things. Except it won't. You're already destroying site culture by making your debatebro friends join, there is no escape from your liberal shit. I've been browsing this site local only ever since you stupid fucks decided to federate with the fascists over at shitjustworks and it's still broken. There is no escape from the redditors BECAUSE THEY OUTNUMBER US and the longer we stay federated and make them join, the more they will transform hexbear site culture. This already feels like any random radlib subreddit and it will only get worse. That's a transformation i won't be around for.
  You've ruined it. You've ruined all of this.
  
  I feel your pain, but this is an enormously aggressively hostile response to me stating an asked-for preference and suggesting a compromise that might make the site better for others. I'm trying to start a conversation here precisely about addressing these kinds of concerns, not to 'shut up' queers, of which I am one.
  Hexbear is a cool site that I hope can accommodate as many people as reasonably doable, and I hope we find a middle ground solution so we can all safely enjoy it the way we want. So long as the userbase want different things from it and we can't find a third way to please all camps, then whichever way we go, we're going to have problems.
  
  I got the same shit from her, she doesn't even pay enough attention to use the correct pronouns ironically.
  
  I'm actually really sorry about the misgendering part, i have edited the post to call you a marketplace of ideas wine mom now.
  
  Thanks baby girl
  Edit: wait you're still misgendering me in another post lmao
  
  I didn't see that one at first, i've edited it as well. I'm really fucking sorry about that, too, but not about the verabl diarrhea.
  
  All good thanks
  
  this is an enormously aggressively hostile response
  well yes, that's what happens when you get fed up with lemm.ee users shitting up trans spaces with sexism apologia and then the entire site fawns over how nice that slava ukraini shit instance is and votes to remain federated with them.
  
  This already feels like any random radlib subreddit and it will only get worse. That's a transformation i won't be around for.
  You've ruined it. You've ruined all of this.
  New tagline dropped
- Obviously the real issue remains that some are happy to be a wartime instance, and some want this to be a purely safe 100% hexbear instance.
  This really is the whole discussion. Are we trying to use this place to create more leftists, or do we just want a nice space for those who are already leftists? I can see the benefits of each, but I would prefer the former.
- https://hexbear.net/c/den exists but a dedicated hexbear-only comm has not shown to be popular, no new posts in months
  
  Well, as federation stands, Hexbear is already 98% a hexbear-only comm, so it doesn't mean too much. And it might be a matter of making already-popular comms Hexbear-only, perhaps?
- That's a sick ass idea. Being able to federate but have some hexbear only space would be cool. If federation turned the place into a cool zone, some parts of the site are insulated. Also you'd probably want the ability to not get DMs from accounts outside of hexbear except via a whitelist
  
  I like the idea of a limitation on DMs, too. Obviously requires some Lemmy work, but some finer controls like that would really help make a nice combination for different users, I think.

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