Ukrainian Neo-Nazi mocks Auschwitz victims
Ukrainian Neo-Nazi mocks Auschwitz victims
Social media users have called out a member of a nationalist Ukrainian brigade for posting images that appear to praise Nazi genocide
A Ukrainian Neo-Nazi soldier visited the Auschwitz death camp wearing a shirt quoting Hitler in order to mock the camp's victims. This is the type of truly fascist scum that billions and billions of US taxpayer dollars are going to fund and arm.
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Many died
Many died and then more nazis joined, and the ones who were captured are now leading the unit
Many new units have been created around the country
And they're all commanded by ideological nazis and banderites leading cohorts of other convinced nazis or demoralized conscripts who don't want to be there regardless
We are talking of an initial group (2014) that counted 600 members
And then the years 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, and 23 came and went, the concept of time I know it's wild, now Azov has thousands of fighters and premier government approved status and is simply one of dozens of openly neo-nazi units operating within the Ukrainian military
So here lies our disagreements.
New members joining doesn't mean more nazis joining. While the initial militia was absolutely certainly made by people who were nazis and aligned, the moment the battalion is part of the army and recruits from elsewhere are sent there, this dynamic changes.
Something that you seem to acknowledge:
And they’re all commanded by ideological nazis and banderites leading cohorts of other convinced nazis or demoralized conscripts who don’t want to be there regardless
And they are also part of a higher structure of command. Again, I completely agree that there are Nazis, but you can't reject the fact that there is a difference between a self-formed militia and a battalion that becomes part of the army. It's obvious that the first one has a stronger identitary nature.
And then the years 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, and 23 came and went, the concept of time I know it’s wild, now Azov has thousands of fighters and premier government approved status and is simply one of dozens of openly neo-nazi units operating within the Ukrainian military
AFAIK the battalion has had the most ~2500 people. The national guard they belong to is like ~90k people. This + what I am discussing above, and my point becomes clear: while early the battalion was made of 600, 900 nazis (~100%), with time this percentage decreases more and more. I don't have numbers obviously, and neither do you it seems.
EDIT: You didn't tell me if that was proof enough for you that I do speak Russian (kinda). Well, or at least that I do study it for some time.
Your entire argument is based on delusional magical thinking, it's the equivalent of asserting the Wehrmacht of the Third Reich weren't nazis because the SS was a separate institution and the majority of the German army conscripts weren't SS or party members, it's a derivative of the clean Wehrmacht myth except in this case applied to the Ukrainian army whose official policy is to actively celebrate nazis like Bandera and elevated neo-nazi militias in its own institution, also misses the point that these are considered elite bodies with strict recruitment policies, not football clubs any dipshit banderist can join, that's what the other dozens of brigades and incorporated nazi units are for
the moment the battalion is part of the army and recruits from elsewhere are sent there, this dynamic changes.
Just take how delusional this sentence is, any institution that allows nazis to openly organize and preach is by definition a nazi organization, doesn't matter if the leadership and the hardcore members are outnumbered by conscripts, conscripts who judging by internal Ukrainian polls are open and susceptible to Banderist nazi ideology, which is why the literal fuckin majority of western photography shows a cavalcade of soldiers proudly displaying nazi paraphernalia
but you can't reject the fact that there is a difference between a self-formed militia and a battalion that becomes part of the army.
Yeah the difference is now the nazis are given institutional approval and funding, lmao how the fuck are you missing that obvious development, if the federal government found some random neo-nazi militia and gave them federal approval, funding, and arms, that wouldn't be a good you delusional nazi apologist
There wouldn't be a reduction of their "identity" it's would instead be elevated and given prestigious institutional status from which they can use to recruit and spread, which surprise is what has been happening, to the point we now got a nazi comfortable enough to go to Auschwitz and mock the victims of the Holocaust without any media backlash IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES, what do you think is going in Ukraine proper
it’s the equivalent of asserting the Wehrmacht of the Third Reich weren’t nazis because the SS was a separate institution and the majority of the German army conscripts weren’t SS or party members
No. Or better, it's not because I don't start from the same assumption as you do, which is that Ukrainian state is inherently Nazi.
any institution that allows nazis to openly organize and preach is by definition a nazi organization
This is a good point, although this definition cast quite a wide net as many countries have nazi organisations in the open (at least most Western countries). I don't think I would agree that most of those countries are nazi countries (assuming a state is an "institution").
That said, I think that Azov internal propaganda (that they are quite good at it) as been very focused on war effort, so "preaching" here is not as clear as it was during 2014 protests.
celebrate nazis like Bandera
I tried to explain elsewhere that this =/= nazism. I won't repeat myself.
There wouldn’t be reduction of their “identity” it’s would instead be elevated and given prestigious institutional status from which they can use to recruit and spread, which surprise is what has been happening, to the point we now got a nazi comfortable enough to go to Auschwitz and mock the victims of the Holocaust without any media backlash IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES, what do you think is going in Ukraine proper
This is a fair point of view, but I simply disagree with it. I think that the Nazi ideology of those radical group has been diluted into a much more Western-friendly narrative, and I think it will continue to do so.
a nazi comfortable enough to go to Auschwitz and mock the victims of the Holocaust without any media backlash IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES
I didn't even look on regional news, but honestly, this is an article about 2 people. I would hardly expect backlash for something like this. Maybe there have been local Polish news about this, have you looked?
I tried to explain elsewhere that this =/= nazism. I won't repeat myself.
Ok denying Banderism is a nazi ideology just makes you a nazi yourself, can't say I'm surprised
Easy way to wrap up a conversation. Shortcut it with a tautology and gg.
Plenty of nationalists consider Bandera a national hero (would you consider this Banderite? I would), and yet they have nothing in common with nazi Germany ideology. The fact that you refuse this fact at all because it doesn't fit in the simple scheme you created is unfortunate.
BTW, related to the article in question:
- I looked online and I couldn't find anything except 3 websites with the exact same content word-for-word. ( https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/world/ukrainian-neo-nazi-mocks-auschwitz-victims/, https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/ukrainian-neo-nazi-mocks-auschwitz-victims/, https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/274459960/ukrainian-neo-nazi-mocks-auschwitz-victims and the one posted - all from a single source).
- The screenshot of the Instagram story doesn't show the username of the user (only a polish flag), so I couldn't track it down.
- The tagged user in the story (
@anastasiiarooker) doesn't seem to exist when I search in Instagram.
These are all kinda suspicious. I have seen Nazis do all kind of shit (in Italy), so the content of the article doesn't surprise me at all, and yet the points above make it suspicious to say the least. Did you manage to verify any of the information? I assumed it was truthful because I found it believable, but I now have doubts.
EDIT: I found also this channel that quotes the news (in Spanish). The link to Instagram they report to verify the news is broken -> https://www.instagram.com/khran1t3ltv0eytayni/
Plenty of nationalists consider Bandera a national hero
What are the reasons they consider him a "national hero" what did he do while he was alive, what did he advocate for?
and yet they have nothing in common with nazi Germany ideology
Are you claiming the Banderist movement did not collaborate with the Nazi regime that occupied Ukraine? This is your last and final chance to start engaging on this topic with some honesty and rigor before I press the report button on your nazi ass
Excellent posting.
Bandera led the OUN-B. The OUN-B collaborated and essentially became an arm of the Nazi party in Ukraine on the eve of the invasion, and attacked in the rear of the Red Army. This is all info available on Wikipedia. Don't even have to open a book.
Their actions, both sanctioned and unsanctioned by the Nazis, were ones of antisemitism, Ukrainian ethnic superiority, anticommunism, and assisted in the German exterminations in eastern Europe. Not in common with Nazi ideology is that their targets didn't include themselves as Slavs (obviously).
As far as I'm concerned this is a distinction without difference.