Donald Trump shares stage with rightwing activist who's discussing stoning gay people to death
Donald Trump shares stage with rightwing activist who's discussing stoning gay people to death
Trump has repeatedly attended and spoken at Charlie Kirk's rallies despite his extreme anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric.
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anything someone who is cishet says about queer people no matter how offensive cannot be homophobic by virtue of having been said by a cishet person
No, because the moment they say something homophobic they're queer thus not cishet, though they can still be bigots, it's a Catch-22, that's the point, to call the bigot the thing they hate.
Except that the person saying the homophobic thing knows they aren't queer. Which means what they said can't possibly be homophobic.
Let me put it this way- there is zero evidence that Charlie Kirk is anything but cishet. Now... we can draw attention to the issue of bigotry by just pointing out that he's a bigot or we can put the blame of bigotry on queer people themselves in some silly attempt at a gotcha.
I would say that the former is both less childish and less harmful to queer people.
Except that the person saying the homophobic thing knows they aren’t queer.
Do they though do their peers? Does anyone? Again sexual fluidity is extremely common throughout our lives.
Let me put it this way- there is zero evidence that Charlie Kirk is anything but cishet.
I honestly can't imagine him being with a woman so I disagree.
Now… we can draw attention to the issue of bigotry by just pointing out that he’s a bigot
Yes.
or we can put the blame of bigotry on queer people themselves in some silly attempt at a gotcha.
I would say we put it on the bigot that said it, Charlie Kirk and not on any broad groups at all.
I would say that the former is both less childish
It's fun to be childish sometimes.
and less harmful to queer people.
I'm not sure it harms queer people at all Squid.
See, again, you're saying that the only people who are homophobic are queer and it's no different from saying the only people who are ableist are disabled or the only people who are antisemitic are Jewish. I wish you could understand that.
I can understand how it could be interpreted that way but that's not what I mean at all.
Out of curiosity, what percentage of homophobia do you think is caused by latent homosexuality?
It doesn't matter if it's not what you mean unless you express what you mean explicitly.
And people don't say that explicitly. They just say that every time someone says something homophobic in the news, they're closeted. Every time.
And how the hell am I supposed to know what percentage? More than zero and less than 100?
I'm guessing closer to zero than 100 for the same reason there are antisemitic Jews out there but the vast majority of antisemites aren't Jewish. Can you point to a time that you've suggested that an antisemite is actually a Jew? And if not, why not if it's so common for homophobes to be queer?
And how the hell am I supposed to know what percentage? More than zero and less than 100?
Seems pretty relevant to the discussion, 10% is way different than 90%.
I’m guessing closer to zero than 100
But you're just guessing.
for the same reason there are antisemitic Jews out there but the vast majority of antisemites aren’t Jewish.
What reason is that?
Can you point to a time that you’ve suggested that an antisemite is actually a Jew? And if not, why not if it’s so common for homophobes to be queer?
I'm sure I never said that, I usually call antisemites Nazis/bigot/fuckhead or something similar.
And if not, why not if it’s so common for homophobes to be queer?
We've already been over this. I suspect we're not going to come to an agreement on this,, have a nice night Squid.
We haven't already been over this. All you've said is sexuality is a spectrum.
Disability is a spectrum. Everyone has their own little disabilities. So if you use an ableist word like the R-word, you're disabled. Based on your own reasoning. And you still don't see it.