Donald Trump shares stage with rightwing activist who's discussing stoning gay people to death
Donald Trump shares stage with rightwing activist who's discussing stoning gay people to death
Trump has repeatedly attended and spoken at Charlie Kirk's rallies despite his extreme anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric.
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you’re suggesting that homophobia is an internal problem,
I believe homophobia (and basically all other hate) is mostly an internal (mental) problem, you don't?
the inference to be made there is that if you really hate queer people, you can't be cishet.
Ah I get it now, I guess I disagree with that inference but I see how it follows. More honestly I would say that most people aren't 100% straight/cishet and sexual fluidity is extremely common (though we're only becoming aware of it now) so the inference would be correct and most people wouldn't be homophobic.
Internal as in only involving queer people.
The point is it gives any cishet bigot an excuse to be homophobic because they aren't queer so it's okay. It's not bigotry.
The point is it gives any cishet bigot an excuse to be homophobic because they aren’t queer
If we're following it logically, they hate themselves at least in part because they're queer; it's self-hatred but they can be a self-hating bigot, they're not mutually exclusive.
Again, this suggests that you cannot be cishet and bigoted against queer people. That the only people bigoted against queer people are themselves queer. Therefore anything someone who is cishet says about queer people no matter how offensive cannot be homophobic by virtue of having been said by a cishet person.
That's just basic extrapolation from such reasoning.
anything someone who is cishet says about queer people no matter how offensive cannot be homophobic by virtue of having been said by a cishet person
No, because the moment they say something homophobic they're queer thus not cishet, though they can still be bigots, it's a Catch-22, that's the point, to call the bigot the thing they hate.
Except that the person saying the homophobic thing knows they aren't queer. Which means what they said can't possibly be homophobic.
Let me put it this way- there is zero evidence that Charlie Kirk is anything but cishet. Now... we can draw attention to the issue of bigotry by just pointing out that he's a bigot or we can put the blame of bigotry on queer people themselves in some silly attempt at a gotcha.
I would say that the former is both less childish and less harmful to queer people.
Except that the person saying the homophobic thing knows they aren’t queer.
Do they though do their peers? Does anyone? Again sexual fluidity is extremely common throughout our lives.
Let me put it this way- there is zero evidence that Charlie Kirk is anything but cishet.
I honestly can't imagine him being with a woman so I disagree.
Now… we can draw attention to the issue of bigotry by just pointing out that he’s a bigot
Yes.
or we can put the blame of bigotry on queer people themselves in some silly attempt at a gotcha.
I would say we put it on the bigot that said it, Charlie Kirk and not on any broad groups at all.
I would say that the former is both less childish
It's fun to be childish sometimes.
and less harmful to queer people.
I'm not sure it harms queer people at all Squid.
See, again, you're saying that the only people who are homophobic are queer and it's no different from saying the only people who are ableist are disabled or the only people who are antisemitic are Jewish. I wish you could understand that.
I can understand how it could be interpreted that way but that's not what I mean at all.
Out of curiosity, what percentage of homophobia do you think is caused by latent homosexuality?
It doesn't matter if it's not what you mean unless you express what you mean explicitly.
And people don't say that explicitly. They just say that every time someone says something homophobic in the news, they're closeted. Every time.
And how the hell am I supposed to know what percentage? More than zero and less than 100?
I'm guessing closer to zero than 100 for the same reason there are antisemitic Jews out there but the vast majority of antisemites aren't Jewish. Can you point to a time that you've suggested that an antisemite is actually a Jew? And if not, why not if it's so common for homophobes to be queer?
And how the hell am I supposed to know what percentage? More than zero and less than 100?
Seems pretty relevant to the discussion, 10% is way different than 90%.
I’m guessing closer to zero than 100
But you're just guessing.
for the same reason there are antisemitic Jews out there but the vast majority of antisemites aren’t Jewish.
What reason is that?
Can you point to a time that you’ve suggested that an antisemite is actually a Jew? And if not, why not if it’s so common for homophobes to be queer?
I'm sure I never said that, I usually call antisemites Nazis/bigot/fuckhead or something similar.
And if not, why not if it’s so common for homophobes to be queer?
We've already been over this. I suspect we're not going to come to an agreement on this,, have a nice night Squid.