11mo ago

Just a little friendly compromise, what could go wrong?

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You don’t negotiate with a burglar who breaks in and steals your shit. You shoot them between the eyes.
Anyone who calls for a compromise is either Russian or a complete fucking idiot.
- You shoot people in the face for stealing? Sheesh.
  
  No, you shoot them because you have no way of knowing why they're in your home or what they'll do.
  
  Good luck with that. I would advise you to get a very good attorney and have a robust bank account.
  
  Or just live in a stand your ground/castle doctrine state.
  
  New York is a castle doctrine state. That guy who shot those kids who pulled into his driveway, his private property, just got convicted and is going to prison for a long time.
  Be careful, folks. The dude who enters your home could just be a drunk. Use your brain before bullets.
  
  You mean the guy that shot someone who wasn't breaking into his house or being a threat was found guilty? Color me shocked that an event wasn't protected by a law that didn't cover what happened.
  
  You prove my point.
  
  No, you lock yourself in a defensive position and call the police. Hunting baddies in your dark house is statistically more likely to result in you shooting your kid who tries to sneak out.
  
  Or you just die, because the home invader has the drop on you.
  Its always cute to see people mind-palace how they would John Wick their way out of an armed conflict.
  
  Condescend to me harder daddy I'm almost there.
  
  Home invasions aren't stealing, they're a threat of violence and personal harm.
  If you're just looking to steal you do it when no one is home.
  
  It saddens me how much right-wing gun rhetoric has infiltrated the left.
  
  It saddens me to see leftists left toothless in the face of those that would hurt them. Yet yall insist on being victims and relying on the same cops that oppress you. Total pacifism has a more accurate name, "I like letting fascists win."
  
  Buddy, if it comes to the point where my family needs to shoot back against the things you mentioned, then we already lost long before that.
  Like, if you just took half the amount of time it takes psyching yourself up and purchasing your ammunition and channeled that into -- you know -- civic duty and getting your friends and family to vote, then that would be a far more productive use of your time to avert fascism.
  So just take it a step back, okay? Use your brain over bullets.
  Besides, guns don't make you safer.
  
  Liberals aren't the left.
  
  This trope is tiresome.Your fallacies are:
  No True Scot / Gatekeeping
  Strawman
  
  You're ignorant and you don't know what words mean, including fallacy.
  Which is, in fact, an identifying feature of a liberal.
  
  Oh? Did you need me to walk you through it, buddy?
  Where did I say anything about liberals? (Herein lies the strawman)
  I just had a far-leftist espouse arming up because Karl Marx said so; so whether they're Liberal or Leftist, the point remains.
  Liberalism In the United States has traditionally either been short-hand for social liberalism, or the polar-opposite to conservatism. As Howard Zinn points out in The Case for Socialism, Left and Liberalism were used interchangeably throughout American history and distanced itself from that of right-wing conservatism.
  Do you speak on behalf of all liberals and leftists? <--- Herein lies the gatekeeping / No True Scot fallacy.
  Classic over-confidence of a sub-22-year-old tankie.
  But viva la revolution, amirite. Send me a screenshot of your Che Guevera poster.
  
  Mad cuz dumb
  
  Which is why you've put a security door on your bedroom, right? A sane home defense strategy has nothing to do with protecting your stuff, and should focus on creating a defensive enclave.
  
  For stealing shit from a supermarket, or a bank, or something of that sort? Nah, fuck the corporations. For invading someone's inner sanctum and defiling their most important space? Justified.
  
  If you say so.
  
  Right, the more accurate analogy would be someone breaking into your house, shooting your grandfather, raping your wife, and trying to take your children away as slaves. And also stealing your stuff.
  
  They valued stuff more than their lives yes. I'm not taking the chance they decide to come back or get violent.
  
  Actually YOU valued stuff more than THEIR lives. So close.
  
  truly spoken by someone who has never actually had to deal with anything close to this in reality.
  you hear glass break and you what, help them fill up the van and make them a sandwich, because they need it more than you and are of no threat?
  
  Yes. Those are your two options. You're a genius! You hear glass break, you start blasting!!
  Most American-ass shit ever.
  
  I like how you don't have a real response, just insults, Id try to guess where you are from, but I'm not a generalizing bigot.
  
  I have no clue why this stranger is in my home threatening those I care about, all I know is they decided breaking into my home and are possibly violent.
  
  🤷‍♂️ I'm not about to send the message that people can come to my house and take my shit.
  
  Yeah but it should be conditional imo. If they're armed or you have suspicion they could be armed, then kill them. Otherwise, maybe aim for the leg or shoulder?
  
  If you're shooting, shoot to kill. There's not a non-lethal place to shoot a human being.
  But yeah, jumping straight to the gun might be a bit much for some guy rummaging through your living room drawer. Russia is more like a hardened criminal who's been threatening you every night for the past month busting down your door and beating your kid to death.
  
  Humans very regularly survive gunshots. About twice as many people are injured by gunshots as those who die from them each year in the USA, even when suicides are included. My philosophy is to minimize harm and suffering whenever possible, even at risk to myself.
  But yeh Fuck Russia.
  
  Surviving a gunshot does not mean that you were not shot in a place that could have been fatal. You're literally describing Survivorship Bias
  
  You were going to kill them regardless, why tf do you care if the other places you shoot them have a chance of fatality? Minimizing harm is all about reducing chances of undue death or suffering.
- The way Russia would negotiate a burglary:
  I get to keep everything I stole, in exchange you won't call the cops, and throw away your alarms and weapons. You will also promise, that you won't be able to defend yourself the next time.
- Can't it be both?

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