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Sen. Bernie Sanders Brings His Fighting Oligarchy Tour to Conservative Rural California Districts

Sen. Bernie Sanders Brings His Fighting Oligarchy Tour to Conservative Rural California Districts - Inside Climate News

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez joined the senator at rallies from Nebraska to California to tell how unprecedented wealth and income inequality are threatening democracy and working families.

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I hope Bernie and AOC can pull something together, because the rest of our “opposition” has less backbone than a single spaghetti noodle thats been boiling for a full day.
I also hope neither of them are disappeared to El Salvador, but I’m worried that AOC is gonna get the Navalny treatment sooner or later. That’s not to say I think she should stop. That’s to say that I genuinely think she should get some non-fascist veterans and 2A supporters to act as her non-federally-affiliated physical security, if she can.
- The day politicians disappear like that better be the day we Americans show we have a backbone.
  
  I’m curious what you’re trying to accomplish with this derisive comment
  
  It is never not going to be funny, being derided for doing nothing by an internet comment.
- Where do you live where there's a huge Progressive majority?
  I live in New York City, which voted 90% against Trump. We also elected GOP Rudy Guiliani who ran a really racist campaign as Mayor.
  
  Boston
  
  Thanks for proving my point.
- She and Bernie are too useful as sheepdogs to be disappeared.
  
  I understand where you're coming from, but you're not offering any solutions. Makes you look like a troll that acts in bad faith.
  If you care enough to want people to listen to you, perhaps change your approach.
  
  The only solution is dissolving the DNC and getting rid of ALL their politicians.
  
  Unpack that one for me, champ. I know where you’re going, but I want you to be explicit with what you mean here. Spell it out. Go on record.
  
  If you check some of these accounts, they do nothing but post anti-Bernie anti-AOC anti-Democrat brainrot, with literally no other personality, and frequently invoking conspiracy theory thought.
  
  Yep. Which is why I tend to put them on the spot like I did above. And they almost never respond. And when they do, it’s usually kinda hilariously absurd.
  
  Hilariously absurd and so disconnected it's like they accidentally responded to the wrong post, like they are replying to things you didn't say and ignoring everything you said. Like empty brainless shells with no souls.
  
  I also think it’s funny when they try to dunk on me with chapter and verse from Marxist literature. Like… dude, I’ve read it too. And I’m also pretty sure you’re not supposed to treat it - or anything, really - that dogmatically. The real world, and humans, and social groups, and humanity, and geopolitics, and global commerce, is not that simple. Trying to boil it down to “how does this compare to Das Kapital” is reductive in the extreme, and is going to be counterproductive in pretty much all respects.
  
  Yeah, even if they appropriate leftist talking points I have the impression they are coming from a place that is fundamentally far right, and their interest is in inciting horizonal hostility against solidarity.
  
  That's cute, a liberal that thinks they understand solidarity. The only solidarity they understand is that which comes from the echo chamber. Their support of Bernie is the prime example of this, they hated him until he fell in line and started repeating the same bullshit the DNC establishment does
  
  Why are you so desperately thirsty for Bernie hate?
  In a world where a creepy weird sex pest like Elon Musk is the world's richest guy, and there's plenty of other undesirable billionaire freaks, why grind your axe with Bernie Sanders of all people?
  
  I grind my axe with all of them, since this post is about Bernie and not Musk my comments are specific about Bernie
  
  And they belong on the block list. Absolutely no value provided at all.
  Always bring Democrats in too on articles criticizing Republicans. They're a band with only one tune.
  
  Because Bernie is now part of the DNC brainrot. Talks about low wages while asking us to vote for the people keeping our wages low. Talks universal healthcare while demanding we support those that don't support universal healthcare. Then there's the whole Hasbara lie of Israel having the right to defend itself. He's doing work on behalf of AIPAC without AIPAC money.
  
  You're definitely not shaking the allegations of having zero personality outside anti-Bernie brainrot.
  
  They are nothing but sheepdogs herding disenfranchised sheep in the party, giving the illusion that if they stick around long enough they too will have a seat at the table, they are using these rallies as pressure release valves. Right now they talk about oligarchy as if their own party isn't part of it. They talk about wealthy inequality while asking us to vote for the people enabling that wealth inequality. The DNC has had a sheepdog in every election since Reagan in years when they are not in power.
  
  That's why democrats keep losing elections to a carnival barker, their arrogant hubris is so dismissive of everything their doesn't fit their echo chamber
  
  People are down voting you because they can't handle that you are objectively explaining what is happening. We probably have different viewpoints, however.
  
  No, people are downvoting them because they’re being a cynical asshole about pretty much the only politicians in the country that clearly seem to give a fuck.
  
  They don't give a fuck either, they are mouth pieces for the people that's helped get us into the state we are in. Didn't you learn that lesson the first time Bernie ran in 2016? He rolled over and let the DNC fuck him and us over, twice. His only role has been that of a sheepdog, and AOC will continue that role.
  
  He rolled over and let the DNC fuck him
  How so?
  
  My take: you’re debating in bad faith.
  
  Bad faith because I won't contribute to the echo chamber?
  
  Pointing out their failures leaves a bad taste in their mouth so they lash out.
  
  I am not a communist, and fear communism, but this person has a valid and logical point. Democrats are mostly unelectable because of their anti-gun agenda and when they occasionally win elections they don't really change anything. Most of the Democrats in office are rich.
  AOC and Bernie are still promoting this party of malaise and promises.
  That being said, we've never seen AOC rule the country. I don't vote for anti-gun politiicans but gosh, she sure is likable. And genuine.
  
  If you want an idea of what I project AOC becoming, go watch Pelosi's videos on C-SPAN when she was a jr house member in the 70s. They sound identical. No one is put into positions of power and influence within the party until they tow the party line.
  
  No one is put into positions of power and influence within the party until they tow the party line.
  That's such a defeatist worldview. Did Trump tow the party line when he took it over?
  Look, change is hard but not impossible, and there's no better time for progressives to step up than this moment right now, when the Dems are at a historically low approval with the whole country. Everybody hates them for the spineless aristocratic piece of shit fascist collaborators they are.
  They gotta go.
  Now, whether this means the Dem party dissolves and a new one rises from the ashes, or it gets restructured but keeps the name and all the infrastructure, or it gets bullied into submission by the threat of a third party built by Bernie and AOC — all of that is abstract, procedural, immaterial. What's material is that neoliberals must lose their power to progressives decisively, and the only way that happens is if:
  a) people become disillusioned enough with neoliberals,
  b) progressives are there for people to transfer their hope/faith onto them.
  Both of these are happening to various degrees, especially the first one, but there's still a long way to go for it to be decisive (polls still show Kamala Harris close to AOC in hypothetical presidential bid, but we need an enormous lead like Trump had in the GOP polls in 2022-2023, so the pressure needs to stay on).
  Only when enough of the Democratic base becomes completely anti-establishment (populist messaging will get them there as long as they're willing to listen) and demands new leadership, only then will the Pelosis and the Schumers lose their power. They haven't actually feared their base in a long time, and that needs to change now.
  So, sure — nobody from the party will put progressives in charge, the party's base of supporters needs to demand it first. Then they can just take the power without having to ask, the same way Trump did in the GOP.
  
  Get the fuck out of here with your art of war bullshit screen name. Pretending to be a Democrat, are we, shut the fuck up
  
  I don't doubt you are Democrat, Dems are vile and toxic that are the polar opposite of class unity.
  
  Lemmy ml account, opinion discarded.
  
  As if anyone cares what a liberal thinks
  
  Says the person who is so engrossed in fucking political group think that their definition of liberal is about as useful as a conservatives definition of leftist. Id suggest ya stop chucking bricks in that glass house of yours lest ye cut thineself.
  
  I'm very clear of the definition of liberal and how they are complicit in the actions of their conservative counterparts.

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