The only good billionaire
The only good billionaire
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Warren Buffett and Bill Gates created The Giving Pledge, a legally binding agreement to give at least half of their wealth to philanthropy by death or through last will and testament. It currently has over 240 signatures from over 30 countries.
Warren Buffett and Bill Gates created The Giving Pledge, a legally binding agreement to give at least half of their wealth to philanthropy by death or through last will and testament.
It's PR, tax dodging, and a scam. Actions speak louder than words.
Those “Giving Pledge” Billionaires Had Better Pick Up the Pace.
Most longtime US members are richer now than when they signed up.This video explains the scam that Billionaires use:
Why There's No Such Thing as a Good BillionaireSigning the pledge doesn't duck you out of any taxes. Also, giv8ng money away can lower taxes you pay, but it doesn't lower them as much as the amount of money you gave away. Not how it works.
Signing the pledge doesn’t duck you out of any taxes.
- They transfer stock to their charitable foundation.
- No capital gains taxes are paid.
- Charity gets full value of stock.
- Billionaire donor gets a tax deduction on that year's taxes.
- Charity is a tax exempt charity and never pays taxes when they choose to sell the stock.
- Unlike any other charity, the charity is owned/ran by them so they dictate how the money gets used including paying themselves, friends, family administrative salaries if they choose.
No taxes paid and a tax deduction was earned AND the money is still in their control.
Then they didn't actually give the money away, and they still aren't saving or making more money themselves by doing that.
Then they didn’t actually give the money away, and they still aren’t saving or making more money themselves by doing that.
No capital gains tax is being paid!
They aren't selling 100 million in stock, paying the capital gains tax and then giving $80 million cash to the charity.
They are gifting $100 million in shares.So, you keep claiming they aren't saving - yes, they are! They pay no capital gains tax!
Please, if you would like to reply again do so with a link which proves what I just stated as false. Thanks.
If I sell a million dollars of stock and pay $400k in taxes, I have $600k. If I give away $1,000,000 in unrealized gains I get either nothing, or I can do a tax write off and maybe save like $200k in taxes. Either way I'll have less than the $600k I would have had. At best it's a workaround to give several other people working for the "charity" money, but at that point why not just put those people on my own payroll and give them the $600k?
If I give away $1,000,000 in unrealized gains I get either nothing,
This is the last time I will respond to you - you simply are not understanding.
They are not giving away the money the same way as you or I do when we donate to charity.
They give the money to themselves!!!The foundation is in their name and they are in charge of how that money gets used.
Money is power and influence. They can do a lot with that money.Look at that infographic I posted above as a reply to another commenter.
Bill Gates uses his foundation to donate to companies that benefit his existing stock investments.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/bill-gates-foundation-philanthropy/If it's super important for you to have the last word and you wish to respond, go for it.
I am not going to reply to you anymore because you are failing to understand.
Warren Buffett and Bill Gates created The Giving Pledge
1 - Giving Pledgers promised to give their wealth away. As a group, they’re wealthier now than when they made the pledge.
2 - These high-end donors increasingly give to intermediaries rather than working charities.
3 - Some billionaires are blending their charitable giving with for-profit investment.
4 - High-end philanthropy is subsidized by regular taxpayers.Mark Zuckerberg's Foundation:
Following in the footsteps of eBay’s founder, Pierre Omidyar, CZI continues the tradition of “impact investing“,
which is essentially supporting nonprofit organizations in addition to selected for-profit entities...They are dodging taxes by donating to their foundations and then using the money
to invest in the same things they would want to invest in if the money
wasn't in a charity and they had to pay taxes on it. The whole thing is a scam!Billionaire Philanthropy Is a Scam
The True Cost of Billionaire Philanthropy
Chuck Feeney did not get richer as he gave his money away.
4 - High-end philanthropy is subsidized by regular taxpayers.
I feel like this is really under-appreciated. Like, Rich Dude decides he wants to donate $100M to...whatever - early childhood education. In the US, he avoids up to $37M taxes, which you can either look at as other taxpayers making $37M matching donation or $37M taken from other society objectives.
To the extent that government is a (marginally) publicly accountable system for funding a society's competing goals - education, health, defense, research - charity allows the very wealthy not just to bypass the social structure for prioritizing goals, but to force other taxpayers to adopt their personal priorities. Maybe the goal is good, maybe it's not - the point is that they're completely unaccountable.
What makes high-end philanthropy different from low-end philanthropy? Don't they both get the same tax cuts?
What makes high-end philanthropy different from low-end philanthropy?
When you donate something to a charity (money or physical objects) do you then get to keep using the money or objects? No, you no longer have them in your possession - you have relinquished control of it.
The rich set up foundations called a Donor-advised fund
It is: a public charity, where an individual can make a charitable gift to enjoy an immediate tax benefit and retain advisory privileges to disburse charitable gifts over time.Ask yourself why every single billionaire starts his or her own charity instead of giving to the thousands that already exist. Because once it is gifted like that it no longer belongs to them. They are literally donating money to themselves and avoiding taxes.
They probably do not get the same tax cuts: a "normal" person, making a paltry $250,000/year only reduces taxes by 24% of their giving, where the ultra-rich get 37%.
But the real difference is scale. A million people each giving $100 to their favorite charity is going to distribute that money more-or-less according to the community's overall priorities. One person giving $100M to their favorite charity has no connection to the broader community and social goals. They supercharge that one thing, which takes attention and resources from everything else.
"Can we have some of your billions?"
"Over my dead body"
- The Giving Pledge
Warren Buffett and Bill Gates created The Giving Pledge, a legally binding agreement to give at least half of their wealth to philanthropy by death or through last will and testament. It currently has over 240 signatures from over 30 countries.
Bill Gates donates to companies that benefit his existing stock investments.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/bill-gates-foundation-philanthropy/There's a big difference between giving away 99.975% of your wealth, leaving your self with what 1 person can OPTIMISTICALLY make in a lifetime for retirement, and allowing people to scarp half of whatever is left after your life of destruction.
Not only does that mean Gate's grand children have a grandpa with unimaginable wealth and power, but half of that is still in the family and all of them and their children's children are all set for an absolute decadent life even if they all decide to never move another muscle ever again. All while the world continues to burn rapidly, waiting for the dragon to bleed.
This is the bare minimum, and they only do it to gain sympathy and trick us into believing they aren't evil.