Trump said to lift all military restrictions on Israel on 1st day in office according to reports
Trump said to lift all military restrictions on Israel on 1st day in office according to reports
President-elect Donald Trump’s promise could lead to a 60-day cease-fire, allowing Israel to suspend hostilities until military support resumes under the new administration.
Yeah, both sides amiright?
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the lack of lemmy.ml accounts on this post is amusing.
almost like they're too afraid to admit they were wrong or they were Russian trolls all along.
When I pointed out that Harris supporters shouldn't have embraced genocide on the day of the election I got a temp ban for "trolling".
Maybe do some introspection.
Harris supporters never embraced genocide.Take your bullshit and leave.
Who was embracing genocide? At least here most people are pro Palestine
Did you miss all of the people supporting a lesser evil Harris genocide? Many are in this thread right now trying to preemptively pass blame for everything Trump does onto those who opposed the genocide and refused to vote for its committers.
This is in no way a pro-Palestinian space, either. This thread has many examples of "the pro Palestinian protesters were a Russian plot!" and, "hope you enjoy Palestinians dying, non-voters!" sentiments.
Weird how repeatedly calling for an immediate cease fire and a two state solution in Israel = "Harris genocide".
Removed for misinformation.
March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas
"Monday's meeting in Washington, D.C., comes one day after Harris called for an immediate, temporary cease-fire in Gaza to facilitate an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Harris is expected to continue pressing Israel to pause the fighting and allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza."
July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
"Vice President Kamala Harris met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in private Thursday and followed it with a strikingly forceful call on his government to get a cease-fire deal done and ease the suffering of civilians in Gaza."
"Vice President Kamala Harris reiterated her call for a ceasefire-for-hostage deal in Gaza while expressing sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians affected by the conflict. Harris condemned the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel but said “far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” by Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza."
Do you get something out of mis-representing what she said and did? Or were you just not actually paying attention?
You do realize that words and deeds are not the same thing. Or words and words:
Kamala Harris Tailors Ad Messaging on Gaza, Israel to Sway Michigan, Pennsylvania Voters
She's part of the Biden admin and did not promise to change anything about the policy towards Israel (which is full support even when Israel crosses their so called "red lines"), so she's 100% complicit in genocide.
As I've told multiple propagandists, the support for Israel was for proper Israeli defense, NOT the genocide.
Nobody, not a single person, in the Biden Administration, delivered weapons with the explicit permission of "By all means, kill as many Palestinians as you want."
The Israelis misappropriated the weapons to do that.
Feel free to blame Netanyahu and Likud for the genocide all you want, they are the ACTUAL perpetrators.
You should be able to tell this because the genocide started 10/7 before a dime of US aid had been promised or delivered.
They're still sending weapons. You can't keep giving guns to a guy that keeps murdering people, and then say "I told him not to murder people it's not my fault". How would that hold up in court?
Love you just proving their point on why everyone stopped. Because all that happens is instant bans or removals for pointing out flaws.
Also how many of those are just her saying submit to allowing Israeli forces to continue killing everyone after a 30/60 day ceasefire
The difference is you were shown proof that disagrees with the propaganda that was removed, and your only argument is an unproven suspicion based on the belief in said propaganda.
What proof?
Biden and Blinken have also been working on a ceasefire for the entire year. They're working the hardest they ever have on it and all we've gotten is us building a failed pier to help Israel launch a military attack.
FYI you can't use propaganda then claim people are only believing in propaganda
It is on them. If you oppose genocide why would you be okay with it happening elsewhere?
They're pretending there was some other possibility besides Harris or Trump.
Exactly. For a country with as many mass shootings as we see we are a soft country. People strap bombs to their chest to achieve less toward their own goals. These brats think major change will happen in a year. The reality is that if you want major change you got to accept that it is unlikely to happen out life times.
The future is always an open question, my friend. And Harris always had the ability to change her stance.
I'll bet you any amount of money that the next president is either the Dem or Rep nominee.
I repeated this over and over before the 2020 election. No one took me up on it.
I repeated it over and over again before the most recent election. No one took me up on it.
And no one will take me up on it for 2028 either because we all know what's going to happen. So let's stop pretending like we don't.
I'm not going to bet against you because I don't trust you, and also because I don't bet money on politics. We are already betting various aspects of our lives. Putting a little bit of cash on the line is a waste of time compared with everything else.
So I guess you win the argument? Not really though, because no one cares about what you're saying you want to bet against people around you. In reality, you can play the odds, but in the end we don't care what the odds were. We only care what actually happened, and we don't know what's going to happen on account of it not having happened just yet.
And the other point is that I don't care what the political party of the president is. I care what the president and their supporters try to push through in terms of policies. Not all Democrats are created the same. Not all Republicans are created the same. And even if they were, which they're not, politicians and political parties adjust their stances over time, because of course they do, because that's natural. A label is just a label.
I’m not going to bet against you because I don’t trust you, and also because I don’t bet money on politics.
But also because you know I'm right. Please stop pretending like you don't know that. Save some amazing and very welcome change to our electoral system, you know damn well I'm right.
because no one cares about what you’re saying you want to bet against people around you.
It's not really about the bet or money. It goes to show that we all know what the outcome will be. People pretend to believe some other outcome is possible, likely even. But when presented with a bet they back off immediately. Why? Because we all know.
and we don’t know what’s going to happen on account of it not having happened just yet.
I'm doing too well in my predictions over these past few elections for it to be a coincidence. I know exactly what's going to happen and so do you. That or I have powers of foresight for a very particular event...
And the other point is that I don’t care what the political party of the president is. I care what the president and their supporters try to push through in terms of policies.
Sure... I guess? When it comes down to it, I also don't care which party wins as long as the candidate aligns with me politically. That's not news. But you know as well as I do that a Republican is much less likely to give me a public option, real action on climate, institute policies to encourage walkable cities, or any of the other policies I imagine you and I align on. Why pretend like any of them is remotely possible from the Republican side?
Please predict as much as you want. But look, offering fake bets online is classic snake oil sales. It's neither clever nor eye opening. But I guess you're having fun, so do whatever makes you happy.
But you're ok embracing Trump genocide?
No? Why are you making things up?
Am I? If you don't think we get more genocide with Trump you are willfully not paying attention.
Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. That happened entirely under Biden. Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?
We all know Trump is objectively worse but your argument is terrible; it’s like the Americans saying we should overlook Bush’s atrocities like Abu Ghraib because Saddam Hussein was worse. No, that’s just a fallacy.
Your premise is based on this: "Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. "
Which is clearly and obviously false. Check back with me on Jan 1.
"Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?"
The Trump administration will enable the complete erasure of the Palestinian people and their land. Huckabee has said as much already. Israelis have said as much too. I believe them.
Finally, do you think nothing else matters? Do you think the consequences of a Trump administration beyond Palestine don't matter? If so, I'd encourage you to spend less time virtue signaling and more time checking your privilege.
The UN has said it explicitly. Famine has taken place and aid is not allowed in. Biden withdrew his ultimatum and the Generals Plan is being implemented. But are you happy if only 70% of North Gazans died then man you sure showed me up.
It’s no question Trump is worse for West Bank and Palestinian aspirations, because he’s only accelerating the same policy that Biden agreed to. In terms of Gaza there really is no difference; the four years of Biden was worse for their lives than 4 years of Trump. But you’re being offensive by saying I need to ignore the Palestinian people whose funerals I attended because Trump is going to do the same thing in a nastier way. You dismissing my community’s real pain as virtue signaling just shows how out of touch you are and why Harris lost. Listen for a change.
If you want me to listen you should probably say something beyond vague platitudes and "your argument is terrible".
What astounds me is that you expect me to be completely consumed with what's important to you while you are completely dismissive of what's important to me. As if somehow the ONLY issue that mattered in this election was the Palestinian people. As if every horrible horrible thing that is going to happen under Trump to American people has to take back seat to YOUR cause. That's the definition of virtue signaling and it's incredibly offensive to me.
Feel free to have the last word but I won't engage with you further.
Baloney, you never once suggested what’s important to you and dismissed my real pain and advocacy for my community as “virtue signaling” and then are mad that I say your argument IS terrible. You think you laid out a constructive argument? There’s nothing you’ve actually argued for except insults. Please learn how to discuss topics in a civil manner and come back to us in a few years.
I mean, assuming everyone on an instance has exactly the same views is kind of asinine. You won't find me pushing that shit. And plenty of others from ml also.
Lol cry harder dead children
posting a meme about kids being blown to pieces. that too when dnc is loosing voters in deep blues state because they have become party of disgusting pimps.
rotten scum like you do more harm to us than hundreds of russian bots
Bruh, I'm just here for the memes. But I can start commenting on political stuff more to even out my instance's biases if that would help. Honestly haven't paid much attention to which trolls were from where, but I'll take your word for it...
I don't understand the downvotes.
It's fine, the internet will internet. Unless someone tells me what I've done wrong, I'm just gonna assume one downvote gave it the initial velocity for more downvotes. Trying to understand it beyond that will make you go crazy.
Most dissidents have been banned from .world to keep the echo chamber functional.
you've got .ml and others, that's where all the "dissidents" hang out. Must be hard to be a dissident when everyone agrees with you.
.ml has some trigger happy mods but nobody gets banned for criticizing the democratic party for supporting a genocide.
You can tell how much of an echo chamber it is here since there are no weapons restrictions for Trump to lift. Because the democrats did not place any.
.ml has some trigger happy mods but nobody gets banned for criticizing the democratic party for supporting a genocide.
Oh you don't get banned for going along with Russian propaganda? Wow, weird huh.
But then you do get banned for pointing out Russian propaganda.
Here.
That's @davel@lemmy.ml pushing against BlueSky, spreading his usual bullshit links about "Nazis". He thinks Ukraine is filled with Nazis and Russia was right to invade it. Now "BlueSky is filled with Nazis"
It doesn't take a genius to suss this out, but that's what the poorly educated Russians don't get. Or they rely on Americans being equally stupid, which is a good bet, honestly.
But for people with a normal amount of media/political literacy? Lol.
Everything I'm told by the state media is good and correct and everything would be fine if it weren't for the underhanded secret
jewsrussians feeding dissentHey! Why am I being banned for following a user around and making personal attacks at them??
YOU'RE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF J-I MEAN RUSSIANS
You guys genuinely can't argue like adults, it's very irritating.
I've not followed anyone around nor have I made any personal attacks. Is "are you pro-Russian?" a personal attack in your opinion? I guess we'll find out.
Are you pro-Russian?
Do you believe Russia has broken international law with their illegal war of aggression by invading Ukraine in February 2022?
(And I know you won't answer any of that, you'll just continue with the garbage quality propaganda. Which is to say utilising shitty rhetoric to push your agenda. Ie the childish nature of your wannabe argument. I wish you could see just how ridiculous it is, but you're genuinely not able to. If you were, you'd be too ashamed to write that, lol.)
Stimulus: "You're falling into the exact antisemetic tropes The Protocols of the Elders of Zion inspired in the late 18th century. You're just replacing 'Russian' for 'Jew' for your paranoid delusions that act as thought stoppers for any dissent"
Response: "YOU SOUND LIKE A SECRET JEW"
See before; "I know you won't answer any of that."
If only you saw how childish your rhetoric is. I can actually show you. We'll have a whole conversation about it, and I'll teach you to use it better... after you reply to a simple yes or no question: Do you believe Russia has broken international law with their illegal war of aggression by invading Ukraine in February 2022?
True, anything vaguely pro Israel gets deleted and banned.
Wait, defending genocide is seen as a bad thing?
faints in bootlicker
Nuance and facts are seen as a bad thing.
In what way were we wrong? Did we ever claim Trump would be good on Gaza?
Yes. Now fuck off.
I bet you couldn't even name a single example
exit polls showed that harris lost mainly on the economy. You just want to pretend it was gaza so you can point fingers.
Nope, it was the apathy. Democrats that came out to vote for Biden 4 years ago stayed home. That's a FACT you can count in the number of votes cast this election vs last.
You know what else is a fact? People that stayed home and didn't vote DIDN'T GET EXIT POLLED.
Exit polls and polls leading up to election. Come on now, lets not mince words or pretend the data wasnt obvious. They did know. It was all over the news snce the day she started her run.
"The economy, particularly inflation and the cost of living, is the primary issue for a majority of voters."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm24g1nj364o
Bidens historically low approval rating was well documented, and the reason for it being low was well understood. She chose to say that "she couldnt think of anything she'd change" or something like that. She ran on a platform that had already ended up on the rocks long ago. Centrists just put their fingers in their ears and pretended Biden was the second coming of FDR whenever Biden was criticised, but the numbers were there waiting to be read if you cared about reality and dropped the infantile "rooting for your sports team, blue no matter who" mentality.
88% of Americans disagreed with how the US was acting in the Israeli war on gazans. Did you think that would be cost-free, or that Biden showed he had votes to burn in the last election or the ones before that? he didnt. Harris knew that wouldnt be consequence free. She ran with it anyway. Thats just Bidens stubborn rightwing-fellating petulant stupidity thats been the hallmark of his entire career bleeding into Harrnis' campaign. A competent politician wouldnt have taken on that baggage when it was so obviously going to cost big in swing states.
"The vice president has said she would not change from Biden’s policies, and argued that Israel has a right to defend itself. But she has also said that far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed"
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4895174-democrats-middle-east-conflict/
She chose to say that “she couldnt think of anything she’d change”
She said she wouldn't have done anything differently from what Biden did. When asked what the difference between a Harris and Biden admin would be, she said she would appoint a republican to the cabinet.
Exit polls are flawed in the sense that the people who don't vote aren't there to begin with.
God forbid someone point a finger for supporting genocide
Shut up pro-Russian account.
(He'll start whining something personal, my proof is in that he won't answer the question "are you pro-Russian", watch;)
Are you pro-Russian? (And yes, this is related to the thread because you can't not be trusted a pro-Putler person to talk about genocide when you don't accept Uighur genocide happening either.)
edit after a week; case in point; the whole thread below this. just squirming and squirming not so say they're not Russian. They literally support genocide, from this thread, you can easily see what a Russian troll actually looks like. It's someone with a poor education and poor understanding of Western culture trying to parrot Soviet propaganda styles from the 70's. anyone's who's sat a few classes of rhetoric will get a good laugh out of him, lol.
you can’t not be trusted
middle school dropout
Why would you advertise being a drop-out? Russian education is already so garbage.
Are you pro-Russian? Simple question. Just say you're against Putler invading Ukraine, unless you're actively for it?
lol you quoted me being illiterate that makes you dumb
my entire personality is an uno reverse card why don't I have friends
Oh so now we trust polls. Got it.
Link or it didn't happen.
Harris lost because of a lack of blue voters who didn't get an exit poll.
There were more red there, and they claim to have voted because of economy because racism and hurting the other team wasn't on the official ticket.
There were two ways to vote for Trump. 1) Mark Trump on your ballot and turn it in, or 2) Not vote for Harris, not turn in a ballot at all.
Quit being coy, just take a bow and acknowledge your victory. You stood strong against genocide, and helped elect the only candidate who can't be reasoned with and whose stated political policy was to SPEED UP THE GENOCIDE. Congrats! If you thought their blood wasn't on your hands before, it absolutely is now.
There were two ways to vote for Trump. 1) Mark Trump on your ballot and turn it in, or 2) Not vote for Harris, not turn in a ballot at all.
In that case, Trump has won with an overwhelming majority in every election he's ever run in, since nonvoters are like half the population and all of them count as voting for Trump.
Back here in reality, that's not how it works.
There were two ways to vote for Trump. 1) Mark Trump on your ballot and turn it in, or 2) Not vote for Harris, not turn in a ballot at all.
By this logic a vote for Jill Stein would be a vote for Harris, lol. Question your political masters, this just isn't logical at all.
Quit being coy, just take a bow and acknowledge your victory.
It is good for Democratic voters to have failed while supporting genocide. You shouldn't support genocide and I shouldn't have to lecture you like this. Be a good person.
You stood strong against genocide, and helped elect the only candidate who can't be reasoned with and whose stated political policy was to SPEED UP THE GENOCIDE.
Israel already has unconditional support for its genocide and opened up two new fronts with the suppory of the Biden-Harris administration. Israel does not have one hsnd tied behind its back. The dominant global empire supports it materially and diplomatically.
Your lesser evil logic means nothing here. It is again just a thought terminating cliché from your political masters. Instead of justifying lesser-evil genocide, please go and inform yourself and work to help others.
Congrats! If you thought their blood wasn't on your hands before, it absolutely is now.
Blood is on the hands of those committing and supporting genocide, not those who fifht against it. Look at how this political illogic has twisted your understanding of basic reality.
When you see a .world account you just have to assume they're one of the dumbest most evil motherfuckers you've ever met.
Genocide Joe has been an established term for months.