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I'm out of the loop here.
Hezbollah uses pagers for communication. Israel intercepted shipments of pagers and rigged them with bombs. Then, an unspecified amount of time later, Israel detonated them during the day, yanno, when people would be out and about in public places. Thousands of bombs went off across Lebanon and killed and injured children, elderly people, and adults.
Of course, mainstream media is trying to pretend that Israel didn't potentially commit what should be considered a warcrime while assholes on social media are spinning this as a masterfully precise and accurate strike that didn't have a considerable amount of collateral (I've literally seen someone say "only people with something to hide would be around a pager in this day and age" verbatim), and that anyone injured or killed was a member of Hezbollah.
Like, what if one of those had been on a plane when it went off?
When ISIS plants bombs on people and detonates them in public places then it's a bad thing. Israel does it and everyone stands, claps and tips everyone with $100% bills.
Edit: I honestly wonder if it's only a matter of time before some IDF or Mossad shithead hijacks a plane and flies it into the Burj Khalifa.
Not a war crime; terrorism. Hezbollah is a political organization.
Once again, it needs to be noted that this entire operation was designed to assassinate one guy. The part of the pager shipment was an order made by the Iranian consulate in Lebanon.
Since the Israelis didn't know which pager was going to the ambassador, they just rigged them all to explode. Then everyone who got caught in the crossfire was labeled "Hezbollah" after the fact.
...That does not, in fact, make it any better.
That makes it even more terrorism.
When ISIS bombs a public area, they're doing it to kill civilians. The target of this pager operation was clearly the people carrying the pagers.
I do agree there was some collateral, but it's difficult to get any more targeted on this scale.
Last week I murdered an entire family of people across the street and started living in their house. One of their relatives came over and was all angry so I had to kill him and his entire family (human shields) because I needed to feel safe in my own home.
This is very complicated and you're stupid if you don't recognize that I've lived here since before I was born.
Bombing a police station because there's a chance one of the cops might try to arrest me.
Bombing the court house so there's no place for my trial.
Bombing the mayor's Special Committee On Investigating City Bombings to cover my trail.
Bombing the local field office of the newspaper that's writing a report on all these bombings.
More people are saying I'm the bad guy, but this is just adding the number of people I have to add to my list of future bomb targets.
I'll agree that it's very complicated. But you also can't frame it like Hezbollah are the good guys. There are no good guys here.
Israel has done some horrible shit, including shooting at kneecaps for fun, not just pushing Palestinians off their land, but then actually settling that land, and treating Palestinians as a lesser people in general. But that doesn't just excuse constant shelling of Israel or the constant calls for genocide from either side. October 7th doesn't excuse what Israel's done in Gaza, and Gaza doesn't excuse October 7th. This shit doesn't just cancel out, like so many seem to want to believe.
** There is no good side in the middle east conflict. ** If you're solely defending and excusing one because of the attacks of the other, you're just as bad as they are. That's the reason they're in this mess; there's enough people always looking for revenge for the last revenge.
It seems to me that the general internet consensus frames the losing side as the scrappy underdog that is justified in all their actions. Even if the people defending "the innocent" don't believe that, guess how it's going to be read by people in and near the conflict.
And to be 1000% clear: Israel deserved October 7; they deserve a thousand of them.
Gaza doesn’t excuse October 7th
Yes it does. Just like every white person ever killed in a slave revolt. Just like every nazi killed in the Warsaw uprising.
And I count you among them.
Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: ViolenceGood luck with that, reporter: Palestinian right of armed resistance
[UN] General Assembly resolution A/RES/38/17 (22/11/1983) stated that it "Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle".
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I and this baby I murdered with my bare hands are exactly moral equivalents to each other. I broke into this child's house and murdered their entire family. That doesn't justify them feebly striking me with their soft baby fists. Nor does that attack on me justify how I murdered this helpless child with an ice pick. There are no good guys here.
If you're not condemning the helpless baby I murdered in terms as strong (or honestly more strong they are brown after all) terms as you condemn me, you're exactly as evil as "the innocent" brown child I just watched choke on blood because I punctured their little baby lungs.
People always act like I'm the bad guy just because I murdered an entire family and stole their home, and just because I'm infinitely bigger and stronger than the little baby, and because the little baby can only put up a token resistance to me killing them and everyone related to them. Just because they're the 'underdog'?? They lost fair and square! It's just so complicated! The baby kicked me in the crib with it's little baby feet while I was getting ready to stab it with my ice pick and make it bleed to death! It's a cycle of violence, not a genocide! I'm not a nazi! It's complicated!
Oh, and completely intentionally attacking aid workers and literally starving Gaza is absolutely genocide. And I do wish the US would pull back on their support for Israel (outside of an attack from Iran or similar).
I'm absolutely fine with the US shooting down missiles from Iran. We don't need to help Israel bomb Gaza. We absolutely could exert more control over Israel. But in the end, we don't control Israel, and the US is largely not responsible for every action they take. I'm sure the US had absolutely no part in this pager scheme, even if I do think it's a hell of a lot better than what Israel has done in Gaza.
If the social media consensus was the other way I'd be seen as attacking Israel. But let's see these people defending Hezbollah say anything negative about them.
they could've easily just targeted specific individuals (heads of staff, an ambassador apparently) instead of everyone with the pager. it would've been much more responsible to know who and where
they could’ve easily just targeted specific individuals
They did target a specific individual - the Iranian ambassador in Lebanon. Everyone else was collateral damage.
Do it at night when people are going to bed. Send out a message to get people to check their pagers, then detonate them. There's still a chance of collateral, but it'd be significantly lower than detonating them when people will be out in public at the cost of what I imagine would be a slightly lower chance of hitting targets.
The west makes electronics which explode using security backdoors.
Secret backdoors... And planted plastic explosives.
Technological appliances which detonate using a classified method of activation.
That's not how batteries work (at least not with the results seen in this case).
Explosive electronic communication devices were allegedly produced in Hungaria.