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Capitalist development vs Socialist development
  • The discussion is about debts issued by China and their long term impact, which every study shows to be positive

    except the ones you just linked, i guess?

    you must have been very unlucky when picking which sources to show me :(

    I guess it's easier to make a clown of yourself in public than actually learn about the subject you're attempting to debate

    you know people only keep you off their blocklist because it's really funny watching the fediverse e-clown ply their trade every day, right?

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  • probably not a door you want to open unless you want the top map to suddenly get a lot less red

    also, even if you accept that line of thinking, it still became an invasion when they crossed the 38th parallel

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  • The debt they owed to the IMF

    do you understand how money works? you know it's fungible, right?

    Oh you mean where actual western debt trap was happening?

    even in your cartoon world, china is a member of the imf

    and even if they weren't, the largest share of single-source debt was from china

    i guess it's easier to defend a worldview if you just like...make stuff up?

    any sort of intellectual integrity from you here

    said the person who cherry picked like 3 things to respond to, despite spending most of their life accusing others of cherry picking, and responded to them by making stuff up

    sure buddy

    okay let's pretend it's relevant

    selling it services and equipment now absolves a country of guilt

    wow, looks like the us is absolved of guilt to a comical degree

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  • I love how you trolls just keep regurgitating the same few tropes

    my guy your waking life consists of reposting the same 5 talking points

    i'd maybe take a moment of quiet reflection

    Chinese Investment In Africa Has Had ‘Significant And Persistently Positive’ Long-Term Effects Despite Controversy

    "The results show that Chinese foreign direct investment (FDI) sets in motion a process of transformation in the local economy that damages local competitors but – at the same time – benefits local suppliers to the new Chinese firms as well as their local clients."

    this is another way of saying that local businesses are destroyed, save from the ones that become functionally chinese subsidiaries

    if the west did this you'd be having a meltdown

    study on Chinese investments

    you know that when a bank restructures a loan for you, it's not out of the goodness of their hearts, right?

    and that's when they do restructure a loan for you, rather than just letting you default and having your economy explode like happened with sri lanka

    no debt trap

    guys they didn't SEIZE a port they merely forced a country to lease it for 99 years at a bargain bin price

    China and Africa: Ethiopia case study debunks investment myths

    ethiopia literally had to default on their debt after this article was published

    https://www.lse.ac.uk/iga/assets/documents/research-and-publications/FDI-in-Ethiopia-Crescenzi-Limodio.pdf

    see above

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/gild/2021/01/26/how-chinese-investment-shape-new-growth-patterns-in-africa/

    this is the same as the first link

    https://www.asiafinancial.com/china-debt-trap-claims-in-africa-stem-from-us-rivalry-study

    this is about the port again

    https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/chinas-infrastructure-investment-helps-fast-track-development-in-africa-expert/

    this just says "development good" without defining what that is

    the same metric would justify european colonialism of africa

    https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/08/20/china-forgives-debt-africa/

    except for all the cases where they don't and countries have to default, i guess

    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/11/broadband-business-formation-and-economic-growth-in-the-global-south-assessing-chinas-impact/

    this link isn't relevant

  • Utterly fucking bizarre
  • presumably if somebody's shipping weapons to israel, you'd be fine with the houthis sinking that ship? so you don't disagree with the blockade in principle, you just think it's being implemented too strictly?

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  • the meme never mentions supporting houthis, it says praising them

    acknowledging somebody has done something good is praising them

    hence "If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis..." is a bad response

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  • If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis...

    it was a response to this, which in the context of the original post, has a sentiment that directly contradicts what you just agreed with

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  • Yeah but being bad and doing a good thing from time to time doesn’t make you good.

    sure, and i'm not saying that the hypothetical would make isis good

    i'm saying that it would make fantasy isis worthy of praise for this specific hypothetical achievement

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  • it's called a thought experiment

    do i think anybody is realistically going to kidnap me and plumb my kidneys into a world famous violinist? no. but i can still use that hypothetical to make a point. do i think anybody is likely to run into a barn at 0.9c while holding a long ladder? no, but i can still use that to learn something.

    based on your response, i presume you agree that a group can do bad things, or even be on the whole bad by a very wide margin, but still do something good worthy of praise?

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  • Hence a blockade is an act of war.

    but we're not talking about something being an act of war

    we're talking about whether it's morally justifiable

    are you saying any offensive war is automatically unjustifiable?

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  • because it disrupts non-Israeli trade

    so, just to set a baseline here, are we agreed that

    • what israel is doing is bad
    • stopping israel from doing what they're doing is good
    • stopping israeli trade might stop what they're doing
    • therefore stopping israel from trading is good

    given that trade is definitionally between two separate parties, one of the countries in the equation has to not be israel

    how can you stop israel from trading without impacting other countries?

    tldr: the sanctions on russia also have an impact on global trade, so if this is your redline, you should be anti-sanctions

    I'm sorry that the words 'attack' and 'war crime' mean nothing to you.

    are you saying the blockade is different to sanctions because russia attacked ukraine and is committing war crimes?

    i'm not sure if you've paid attention to things in israel recently

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  • I dispute that, even if they were, that their actions constitute in any way a viable way to blockade Israel

    so their actions are bad because you don't think they'll be effective? honestly, pressuring global trade has historically been a pretty good way of achieving goals in capitalism

    I dispute that attacking civilians, a war crime, is morally acceptable.

    again, sanctions on russia have definitely killed people

    so you're fine with people dying, just so long as they do it from freezing to death in their homes rather than by direct military action?

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