@matti it's what TFL reports, as far as I know, I don't have first hand experience. Well, I have been in London and what I recall is people going seriously fast on the main bike paths (I think the super highways). Much faster than elsewhere I've been.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cycling-london-uk-sadiq-khan-bikes-race-class-gender-a8367916.html

@Melonpoly that's not what I wrote.

The name is the tip of the issue.

The problem is that the categories that are used to biking don't have any issue. Those who don't bike (not used to, scared by perceived dangers, whatever) will not begin biking because of cycle superhighways.

This problem has been recognized by TFL and the name "cycle superhighways" has been dropped.

Was TFL insulting anyone by doing so?

https://road.cc/content/news/257272-not-super-anymore-cycleways-confirmed-new-name-londons-cycle-superhighways-and

@Pare diciamo che la scienza vorrebbe arrivare a conclusioni generali, mentre qui abbiamo solo un punto. Ma comunque è un punto abbastanza significativo, è difficile che in generale le cose siano molto diverse. Diciamo che i numeri in se (tipi 6%) non sono significativi, ma possiamo ipotizzare delle tendenze.

Comunque a voce dice che ha contato un migliaio di veicolo, non pochi!

@candle_lighter

@JeffreyOrange the non-inclusivitybof the cycle super-highways in London is a **real** problem.

If you want the most people to get on their bikes, people who are scared because of danger of car roads, then you want them to feel safe. And they won't on those cycle super highways.

@joostjakob AFAIK the discussion is open. The naming is one thing, and communication and promotion should follow along.

If you look at a video of a cycle super-highways in London and on of a "continous cycle road" (I don't know the precise name)in the Netherlands you will see a stark difference.

I wouldn't bring my kid on the the former, but I would on the latter.

@candle_lighter@lemmy.mlas far as I know they are the majority of vehicles **sold** in USA, but I don't know about the number of circulating ones. For sure it is much lower than 98%

But keep in mind:

* This is **not** a scientific experiment, it is just a guy collecting data on one road one day (for fun)
* It was 10 years ago more or less, so the situation was a little bit different

As much as I like the idea, the naming is completely wrong and the concept should be corrected

In UK the "cycle super-highways" are successful, but only for a part of the population (young white males).

The term "highways" is a legacy from automobile and comes with ideas of speed and danger.

We should go in a different direction and try to be inclusive. We want families riding their bikes with kids. We want women and we want people of all origins too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_o4ZsD01M

@IHateReddit

@De_Treias credo che sia un po' causa, un po' effetto.

Una persona più aggressiva tende a prendere un'auto più grossa e che incute timore.
Una persona non aggressiva si sente potente e diventa aggressiva mentre guida il suo macchinone.

Ovviamente non sono uno psicologo ma vedo qualche assonanza con l'esperimento delle guardie e dei carcerati.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperimento_carcerario_di_Stanford

@fuck_cars