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SNOOcalypse - document, discuss, and promote the downfall of Reddit. @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
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SNOOcalypse is closing down.

Ladies, gentlemen, and cherished non-binary folks: it has been a serious joy to moderate this community for you.

Based on the general input from an earlier thread, I'm closing this community down; I apologise for rushing this decision but it's for the best.

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I'll also use the opportunity to publicly release the modlog of this community, showing at least which actions were taken by myself:

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I can't show the other usernames because this would be allegedly "doxxing".

I'm doing so because I believe that transparency is essential to nurture a healthy and friendly community. I also encourage people here to check the mod logs of other lemmy.ml communities.

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Reddit is so untrustworthy. r/modcoord thread purges all pro-fediverse comments, then r/redditalternatives removes the thread exposing it.
  • Perhaps "we" (users in general) could be a bit more strategic with this. Reddit admins have a noticeable disdain for the smaller subs there, and yet they are [were?] what shaped Reddit the most, and made it fun. They are bound to have some grievances with Reddit; and even if the Fediverse is rather small, here they'd have some room for growth that they wouldn't with the competition of larger subs.

  • Reddit is so untrustworthy. r/modcoord thread purges all pro-fediverse comments, then r/redditalternatives removes the thread exposing it.
  • Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn’t replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.

    My guess is that they decided that the little fictitious power that they had over their communities was worth dealing with an obnoxious administration, that outright belittles them as "landed gentry". As such, they never actually planned any sort of migration out of Reddit, and instead rationalised their decision to stay there as "we're thinking on the users".

  • Reddit is so untrustworthy. r/modcoord thread purges all pro-fediverse comments, then r/redditalternatives removes the thread exposing it.
  • In a just world, this kind of comment would be grounds for a warrant to search your hard drive for illegal content. They’d probably bust a lot of creeps that way.

    Omega_Haxors, you're free to defend hexbear or any other instance as much as you want. However witch hunting is not to be tolerated, as per rules #1 and #4, and implying that someone must be a criminal (or a "creep") for having a stupid take on hexbear and two governments is witch hunting. Don't do this.

    Further violations of the rules will not be tolerated, specially not if witch hunting is involved.

  • Reddit is so untrustworthy. r/modcoord thread purges all pro-fediverse comments, then r/redditalternatives removes the thread exposing it.
  • Friendly reminder for everyone here - not just the poster above - that the topic of this community is Reddit. There's lots of leeway for off-topic, but this sort of discussion about instances and geopolitics is bound to create unnecessary conflict here.

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    Moving this community to !linguistics@mander.xyz
  • Sorry for such a late reply.

    I'm not sure if I'm part of this big exodus or not. I've been toying with the idea of migrating this comm for months, as lemmy.ml is focused on open source and privacy while mander.xyz is focused on sciences. It'll be more discoverable there, it'll be easier to access it across the Fediverse, and it'll be easier to be on the same page as the admins when it comes to the rules.

    The straw that broke the camel's back, for me, was not even politics. Or even which sort of content they allow/deny in their instance. It was how they handled another lemmy.ml community; it shows that they're completely unprepared as a team to handle users in an acceptable way.

  • Deciding the fate of c/snoocalypse - tell me what you think!
  • kbin.social could be an option, and thankfully I have an account there. I'm not doing it by votes but by the overall "feel" of the community.

    Note that I'm happy moderating a community about Reddit (even if myself don't give a damn about it any more), as long as people retrieve some value from it, and I can do so from a good instance.

  • Deciding the fate of c/snoocalypse - tell me what you think!
  • Thank you. I'll consider it.

  • Deciding the fate of c/snoocalypse - tell me what you think!
  • Do you have other accounts with more activity, specially in this community?

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    Moving this community to !linguistics@mander.xyz
  • I added a link to the language learning comm in the sidebar of the new address. Thank you for the info!

  • Deciding the fate of c/snoocalypse - tell me what you think!
  • If I close down this comm, I'll do it as you said - disable posting, but keep the content here. One of the roles of this comm was to document the downfall of Reddit, so it doesn't make sense to delete it.

  • Deciding the fate of c/snoocalypse - tell me what you think!
  • Without going too much into details: I strongly disagree with a few recent decisions of the instance admins, regarding another instance and a community within lemmy.ml, to the point that I feel uncomfortable moderating a community here. As such I'm asking the community here for a few options, on what you guys think that I should do with our comm - get new mods, migrate the comm, close it down, something else?

    I wish that I could be more explicit on this, but talking about the issue in the open might lead to administrative actions, dunno.

  • SNOOcalypse - document, discuss, and promote the downfall of Reddit. @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    Deciding the fate of c/snoocalypse - tell me what you think!

    I wish to stop being a moderator in lemmy.ml. However, I don't know what to do with this community; the last time I asked for new mods nobody showed interest. So I'd like the help of other members of the community to decide it.

    Here are a few options:

    • Migrate this community. Frankly I don't care about Reddit nowadays, but I'm still willing to mod a comm about it in another instance. So if users tell me "migrate SNOOcalypse to [instance]!", I'll seriously consider it.
    • Recruiting new mods. If you wish to be a mod, please tell me so in this thread. I'll check if you'd be a good mod, recruit you, step down myself, and you're free to moderate it as you wish.
    • Closing down this comm. There are a few other comms about Reddit across the Lemmy/Kbinverse, so we'd use those instead. If neither of the alternatives above is viable/feasible, this is likely what's going to happen.
    • Something else. Then please do tell me. As long as it doesn't boil down to "negligently leave this comm active but unmoderated", I'll consider it.

    I'm planning to step down 19/February/2024.

    So, what do you think that should be done?

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    Linguistics @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
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    Moving this community to !linguistics@mander.xyz

    UPDATE, 2024/JAN/17: this address has been locked so mods only can post. Use the new one.

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    This comm is being moved to !linguistics@mander.xyz (Lemmy link) or /m/linguistics@mander.xyz (Kbin link). Same old topic, same old rules, same old mod. Different instance, focused on sciences. That's it.

    A few additional points:

    • Since the new instance only defederates other two instances, access shouldn't be a concern.
    • I'll keep modding both addresses concurrently, until 19/February/2024 (August Schleicher's birthday), to give people enough time to migrate. In the meantime you can post in either but I'd like to ask users to use the !linguistics@mander.xyz address instead.

    If you believe that it's worth keeping !linguistics@lemmy.ml as a separated community, and wishes to moderate it, please say so in this thread. Or wait until the migration is over and ask lemmy.ml admins, whichever you prefer.

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    queer.af, a Mastodon instance, has been killed by the Taliban
  • Damn, that's sad. Thank you for the info.

  • queer.af, a Mastodon instance, has been killed by the Taliban
  • Worst hypothesis they just need to mess around a bit. For example I don't think that queerasfu.ck would be registered.

  • queer.af, a Mastodon instance, has been killed by the Taliban
  • They could get a .ck domain instead and move to queer.as.fu.ck, no?

  • Changes we're making to Google Assistant
  • It's hard for Google to claim that they're focusing resources (e.g. dev time), given the list of features being removed. As one of the HN comments said, quite a few of them "seem to fall under the umbrella of "features that actually make the assistant an assistant"/connecting the assistant to other apps". In other words, integration - that's core functionality for an assistant and they likely know it.

  • Changes we're making to Google Assistant
  • Yup. Google consistently gets rid of features or services that it deems unprofitable. And that's fine, really - as long as you don't pretend that you're doing it for the users.

    To be fair in modern phones there are some features that if removed would make the user experience better.

    I hear ya - for example, the SIM toolkit being able to send you pop-ups (phone providers use that to spam the users).

  • Changes we're making to Google Assistant
  • We’re removing some underutilized features in Google Assistant to focus on delivering the best possible user experience.

    Is this the non sequitur used nowadays to explain removal of features? "We're removing it to give you a better experience"??? That's bloody hilarious.

    Be honest at least dammit. If you don't want to maintain a feature, because it's against your best interests, say so. Users are not stupid, and should not be implied to be stupid with this idiotic "it's for you lol" discourse.

    (I don't even use Botnet Assistant.)

  • The etymology of Soyjak
  • When I saw this in some mander comm I immediately thought "yeah... it goes into Linguistics humour, folks there will enjoy it".

  • Mum wake up, new division just came through
  • Relevant detail: Ottoman Turkish ⟨فستق‎⟩ fıstık borrowed it from Arabic ⟨فُسْتُق‎⟩ fustuq, that borrowed it from Middle Persian - the same variety as Greek and then Latin did. So odds are that the f-variation was caused by Arabic rendering a foreign [p] as [f], and probably predates Persian itself internally undergoing a p→f shift. Source.

  • Mum wake up, new division just came through
  • Definitive proof of a Catalan vs. Daco-Romance link! /s

  • Linguistics @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    [PNAS] Systematic testing of three Language Models reveals low language accuracy, absence of response stability, and a yes-response bias

    Interesting paper, about the alleged ability of LLMs\* to judge the grammaticality of sentences - something that humans are rather good at. Eight phenomena were tested, and LLMs performed extremely poorly.

    \*LLM = large language model. Stuff like Bard, ChatGPT, LLaMa etc. I'd argue that they aren't actual language models due to the absence of a semantic component, as shown by the article.

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    SNOOcalypse - document, discuss, and promote the downfall of Reddit. @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    New Study: At Least 15% of All Reddit Content is Corporate Trolls Trying to Manipulate Public Opinion

    If you're paywalled, check this archive link.

    What the article calls "corporate trolls" is simply astroturfing. It became rampant in Reddit; as the walled garden was unwalled, more of the organic grass has been replaced.

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    [Discussion] Reddit-like aspects of Lemmy that make no sense in a federation.

    Disclaimer: I like the Fediverse, Lemmy, and the concept of federation, I've been here for two years, and I feel grateful towards people working on this platform - devs and admins and mods and everyone else. As such, I hope that what I'm voicing is interpreted as constructive criticism and food for discussion.

    TL;DR: I'll list some issues with Lemmy, how they relate to Reddit, and a few proposals on what should be done to address them.

    The issues

    When you're posting/commenting you're supposed to acknowledge and follow up to three independent sets of rules: of the comm, of the comm's instance, and of your instance. This is a burden for good users, and yet another excuse for bad users to ignore the rules.

    There are also up to three groups of rule enforcers, in any situation: two admin teams and a mod team. If any of those goes rogue (greedy pigboy or powerjanny style), you got a problem.

    Usually the ones enforcing the rules - the mods - are the group that, by design, lacks access to user info like IPs. So they either play whack-a-mole with old trolls under new accounts, or they rely on assumptions (i.e. stupidity) to keep control of their comms.

    Your feed depends on which instances yours is federated with. So you either deal with the fact that you won't get content that you'd otherwise want, or you register into multiple instances to check multiple, partially overlapping feeds. One by one.

    Federated instances mirroring content from each other causes sync issues (got removed from A, but not B? You'll still see it in B), storage issues (raising the requirements for people to create their own instances), and it's a big liability (cue to CP being posted to LW, and every single admin team removing it from their own instances).

    The biggest instance (by MAU) is as large as the seven following instances combined. This sort of demographic concentration is bound to defeat the advantages of a federation (sharing the burden, sharing the power) without alleviating its cons (added complexity).

    The top 10 instances is mostly populated by general purpose instances, doing redundant efforts to provide the same content to the users.

    What do those issues have to do with each other?

    Look at Reddit.

    • Users want their own Reddit communities, but they can't build new "Reddit instances". So they create their communities as "vassals" (subreddits) of the single Reddit instance.
    • Since you always post in the same Reddit instance as you registered to, there are no federation woes like "I want content from instance A, but I'm in instance B and they don't federate", or "admins of my instance vs. admins of the instance where I'm posting".
    • Reddit cannot rely on other instances to provide content for its users. As such, it hosts all its content in a single, general-purpose instance.

    I believe that, once you apply those three aspects of Reddit to a federation, you get the issues that I mentioned.

    In other words those issues are born from trying to replicate a non-federation into a federation.

    So, what should be done in your opinion?

    I'm no coder, nor I want to pretend to be one, and I'm aware that some of those might not be viable. Still, if I had to propose something...

    First of all, a change of paradigm: we (users: including mods, admins, developers, everyone) should see Lemmy first and foremost as a federation of forums and advertise it as such. Similarities with Reddit should be only secondary.

    People who code in Rust would do an amazing job if they focused on instance creation and management. Ideally, it should be feasible even for a tech-illiterate granny running a potato computer to spin up her own instance.

    I think that content mirroring needs to go away, with the users pulling the content straight from the instances where it's created.

    Interface developers should expect users to have 2+ accounts, and to log into all their accounts at the same time. The resulting feed should be a combination of the feed of those instances; handle this through the interface/front-end. And when the user is posting/commenting, ideally they should be able to choose which account to use, on a per-community basis.

    Desktop users should be encouraged to migrate from "my instance's website" to instance-agnostic front-ends, such as Alexandrite and Slemmy. [This doesn't affect mobile users, I believe.]

    We should be contributing more to specific-purpose instances (for example: mander.xyz, ani.social, etc.), at the detriment of general-purpose instances (for example: lemmy.world). Perhaps, at the start even migrate our comms to those instances.

    Eventually [in the far, far future] I think that the concept of subreddit-like communities should be deprecated, with communities becoming simple sub-forums of the instance where they're hosted.

    By default, admins should focus mostly on the activity inside their own instances. Let the behaviour of their users in other instances up to those admins; a dog with two owners ends either overfed or starved.

    When possible/reasonable, admins should be moderating more communities in their own instances.

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    Linguistics @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    Small Discussions #1 (2023/Dec/01)

    I'm creating this thread to hopefully promote a bit more activity in the community.

    If you want to talk about something Linguistics-related, but for some reason you don't want to create a new post just for that, feel free to post it here instead.

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    Linguistics @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    Language and Poverty

    Even if not solid research, I think that this article is worth sharing as food for though.

    The author mentions Duncan's five faces of poverty (material, social, spiritual, aspirational and identity), then focuses on the later two, and proposes that language also plays a role in social poverty.

    Superficially it might seen that the author proposes "replacive bilingualism" (i.e. linguicide) as a solution for this problem; he doesn't, he is mentioning it to highlight how individuals seek to address this linguistic poverty.

    Make sure to give a check to the references cited - there's a lot of good stuff there.

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    SNOOcalypse - document, discuss, and promote the downfall of Reddit. @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    Reddit might once again be flirting with an IPO
    techcrunch.com Reddit might once again be flirting with an IPO | TechCrunch

    The San Francisco-based company, co-founded by Steve Huffman, Aaron Swartz and Alexis Ohanian in 2005, could go public as early as Q1.

    Reddit might once again be flirting with an IPO | TechCrunch

    IPO = Initial Public Offering, where shareholders offer to sell their shares to the public, shifting a company from a "private company" (it belongs to me, you, and that guy) to a "public company" (it belongs to anyone who pays enough for the shares).

    The userbase has been always touchy when it comes to IPO, and rightfully so; they know that the new owners will only care about squeezing the platform dry. As such, I predict a new flood of Redditfugees to Lemmy and Kbin.

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    Linguistics @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    How “blue” and “green” appeared in a language that didn’t have words for them
    news.mit.edu How “blue” and “green” appeared in a language that didn’t have words for them

    A new study suggests the way a language divides up color space can be influenced by contact with other languages. Tsimane’ people who learned Spanish as a second language began to classify blue and green into using separate words, which their native tongue does not do.

    How “blue” and “green” appeared in a language that didn’t have words for them

    The article shows a case of language contact (Tsimané vs. Spanish) triggering the conceptual split of a colour into two.

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    [Discussion] Tearmoon Teikoku Monogatari - Ep04

    Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show. Otherwise Guillotine-kun will get you.

    Show info: MyAnimeList, official site, Kitsu, AniList, AniDB, Anime-Planet

    | Episode | Link to Post | |---|---| | 1 | Link | | 2 | Link | | 3 | Link | | 4 | Link |

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    [Discussion] Tearmoon Teikoku Monogatari - Ep03

    Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show. Otherwise Guillotine-kun will get you.

    Show info: MyAnimeList, official site, Kitsu, AniList, AniDB, Anime-Planet

    | Episode | Link to Post | |---|---| | 1 | Link | | 2 | Link | | 3 | Link |

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    SNOOcalypse - document, discuss, and promote the downfall of Reddit. @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    Reddit mods dumped tokens hours before blockchain program termination
    cointelegraph.com Reddit mods dumped tokens hours before blockchain program termination

    At the time of the announcement, the moderators of most of the subreddits involved with the community points program claimed to be unaware of the decision.

    Reddit mods dumped tokens hours before blockchain program termination

    Summary: Reddit warns mods that it's ending its crypto program, before it warns the other users. What could go wrong? /s

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    [Discussion] Tearmoon Teikoku Monogatari - Ep02

    Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show. Otherwise Guillotine-kun will get you.

    Show info: MyAnimeList, official site, Kitsu, AniList, AniDB, Anime-Planet

    | Episode | Link to Post | |---|---| | 1 | Link | | 2 | Link |

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    [Discussion] Tearmoon Teikoku Monogatari - Ep01

    Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show. Otherwise Guillotine-kun will get you.

    Show info: MyAnimeList, official site, Kitsu, AniList, AniDB, Anime-Planet

    | Episode | Link to Post | |---|---| | 1 | Link |

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    [Discussion] Saihate no Paladin: Tetsusabi no Yama no Ou - Ep01

    Aka The Faraway Paladin: The Lord of the Mountain of Rust

    Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show.

    Show info: MyAnimeList, AniList, AniDB, Kitsu, Anime-Planet, official site

    All Discussions

    | Episode | Link to Post | |---|---| | 1 | Link |

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    Simple script for PulseAudio, to quickly switch between headphones and speakers

    I often switch between phones and speakers, but I'm too lazy to do it through the sound preferences window. So I came up with this script\*, and I'm sharing it here as others might find it useful.

    You'll need to tweak it a bit to work in your machine, but once you do it you can run it from a launcher or a keyboard shortcut, it's really comfy.

    Okay, here's the code:

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    \#!/bin/bash

    \# You'll need to swap those four values with the ones that work in your machine.\ \# Check the rest of the post for further info.\ mainCard="pci-0000_06_00.1"\ mainProfile="hdmi-stereo-extra1"\ altCard="pci-0000_00_09.2"\ altProfile="analog-stereo"

    \# If the current default source is main, your new source is alt. Else, your new is main.\ if [[ $(pactl get-default-source) == "alsa_output.$mainCard.$mainProfile.monitor" ]]\ then declare -g newCard="$altCard" newProfile="$altProfile"\ else declare -g newCard="$mainCard" newProfile="$mainProfile"\ fi

    \# Tells PulseAudio to shift the card profile and default sink to the new.\ pactl set-card-profile "alsa_card.${newCard}" "output:${newProfile}"\ pacmd set-default-sink "alsa_output.${newCard}.${newProfile}" &> /dev/null\

    \# Tells PulseAudio to shift the currently running programs to use the new output.\ for i in $(pacmd list-sink-inputs | grep index | awk '{print $2}')\ do pacmd move-sink-input "$i" "alsa_output.${newCard}.${newProfile}" &> /dev/null\ done

    \# Optional text notification.\ if [[ $(pactl get-default-source) == "alsa_output.$mainCard.$mainProfile.monitor" ]]\ then notify-send -t 500 "Main sound output on!"\ elif [[ $(pactl get-default-source) == "alsa_output.$altCard.$altProfile.monitor" ]]\ then notify-send -t 500 "Alt sound output on!"\ else notify-send -t 2000 "Something weird happened."\ fi

    \# Optional audio notification. It runs VLC but it's easy to adapt or remove if you want.\ cvlc --play-and-exit /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/message-new-instant.oga

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    Check the first four lines of code. You'll need to replace that "pci.blahblah" and "audio.stereo.whatever" junk with the ones from your machine. To know them, run pacmd list-sources | grep name: in a terminal. The output will look like this:

    name: ⟨alsa_output.pci-0000_06_00.1.hdmi-stereo-extra1.monitor⟩\ name: ⟨alsa_output.pci-0000_00_09.2.analog-stereo.monitor⟩

    Ignore ⟨alsa_output and monitor⟩. The second-to-last chunk (e.g. hdmi-stereo-extra1) is the profile. The rest (e.g. pci-0000_06_00.1) is the card. Now replace those in the script.

    \*credits: this script is partially inspired on this AskUbuntu comment.

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    Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou. - Episode 01 - Discussion

    Also known as wataoshi or I'm in Love with the Villainess.

    Bot-kun didn't update for fall [NH] / spring [SH] and I couldn't find a thread about this series, so here I am.

    Please, no discussion about plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show.

    Show info: MyAnimeList, AniList, AniDB, Kitsu, Anime-Planet, official site

    All Discussions

    | Episode | Link to Post | |---|---| | 1 | Link |

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    Lemmy Support @lemmy.ml Lvxferre @lemmy.ml
    [Solved through hack] Can't login or change password because the current password has less than 10 characters.

    EDIT: I was able to solve this by going into the "change password" screen, right-clicking the "old password" field, clicking "inspect", and changing maxlength="60" minlength="10" to maxlength="60" minlength="1", thanks to the tip provided by Dandroid in the comments.

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    When I try to login, the following message appears: "Please use at least 10 characters (you are currently using # characters)." Ditto when I try to change my password.

    This issue affects me when trying to log in from Firefox and Chromium, in Linux. When trying to log in from Firefox in Android, I can't but no message is given. It does not affect Jerboa or Voyager, but I can't change my password from either.

    Any idea on how to solve this? When I created this account 2y ago I was just checking Lemmy out, so I didn't bother with a strong password back then, but this has become a ticking bomb. I'm currently able to access Lemmy from Firefox due to saved credentials, but I'm worried about them eventually expiring.

    Pictures showing the issue:\ !\ !\ (My actual password isn't 6 chars long, but the error message is the same.)

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