Here is a link to the Mastadon post where I saw this first, since this link is showing as non-secure.
https://mastodon.world/@kenshirriff@oldbytes.space/112666771797972297
Hah sorry, former redditor here, posting on title alone. That is truly wild but also makes perfect sense.
In a better world, what she did would be a crime. Shit, it might be one in this world. Just not one that will be prosecuted.
You're not supposed to tell us you're playing both sides!
When I eat meat, I am complicit in the system of slaughter. My consumption is tied to what I consume. Same with oil, same with plastic. Do not hop skip and jump to take the words I just wrote to say I developed factory farming.
Wow. I didn't even see that on first read. I don't comment much, mostly lurk. I think this is mostly why. Feel a bit like I've wasted some energy, but thanks for the exercise! I hope someday you recognize these massive assumptions and judgements you're making with very little information, or stop fucking trolling that way, whichever one it is. But again, be well friend.
I'm not bad mouthing you and am not in between anything. If anything you continue to further my impending belief that you're a bad faith actor (THAT'S bad mouthing).
I am not even following this entire comment chain, merely responding to couple of points in your initial argument that I found objectionable. You continue to claim that I am doing you dirty and insulting you, despite the fact that I have done no such thing. You have either lost the plot, or are doing this on purpose. If it's not the latter, I think you should take a break.
Either way, I wish you the best. To be clear.
Your comments that I’m an idiot, and a shill are uncivil, and I request you remove them.
I will clarify that I am not in particular calling you an idiot, although I do still feel your opinion is misguided. "Useful idiot" is simply a term that describes someone, potentially unknowingly, spreading mis/dis information. I will not edit my previous comment further; I already apologized preemptively for my hyperbolic nature.
However I do wish to clarify that I simply feel you are putting too much weight on the consumer in this particular context. Multinational corporation and governments have outsized power compared to an individual, or even a domestic business. Consumers and individuals can, and do, change their consumption habits.
I still feel as though you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You said it was the consumers fault, and then you said it wasn't.
Edited last paragraph for clarity.
But the fact that oil was processed and consumed is not a corporation’s fault, they produced it for customers. THAT PART ALONE is our fault.
If you use fuel, plastic etc, you’re part of the problem.
No, no, and no. You're just fucking wrong. It's most likely you're paid by petrochemical companies to spread this drivel, or maybe you're just a useful idiot. Governments and multinational corporations set the precedent for what is consumed. The average citizen has very little input, especially in regard to what the world is going to use for fuel and general material construction. Your argument reeks of victim blaming.
Edit: Sorry if that came off as too hostile. GM killed the electric car, things like that. I must emphasize: you cannot blame trends like these on the consumer. If the money wants to push a trend (eg: gas cars) they will, and short of rioting they really won't give a shit what the consumer wants. Marketing and lobbying usually take care of that.
Hah! I understood both of those references.
It's hard to riot when it's not right in your backyard, and you're not networked/less social, propaganda that encourages indifference or ignorance. America has a seriously systemic social problem. You're definitely right, though.
What's it called when you sell something you don't own?
Kill all the humans. (That is a Futurama reference)
It was a Simpson's reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xop8QLIJCpY
I should have known I'd be downvoted for that. Was just hoping folks would figure out that I was decrying lobbying but I guess I gotta explain myself better.
But yea, legitimate democracy is kind of a pipe dream outside of ancient Greece. I'd say people in the United States live under a crony-capitalist dominated representative republic. I wish we lived under a socialist-capitalist representative republic with short term limits and built in incentives for education and voter participation. We can all have our dream.
If only average citizens could match AIPAC donations. "I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xop8QLIJCpY
edit for reference/link
It's region blocked EVERYWHERE near as I can tell. France, Egypt, Hong Kong, Ghana. I know youtube is just one video platform. But the power and reach that NBC universal has is goddamned disturbing.