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  • The Wilier and Canyon are both endurance bikes vs the Pino which is a performance/race. Wilier is still the most comfortable and fast af, but you’re right in that the Canyon was mid-level and has a very different geo so it’s kinda hard to compare-ish. I was actually really surprised at how comfortable the Pino Dogma felt, that would be my go to for races if I owned it.

    I actually haven’t ridden any high quality Ti bikes yet, but have heard nothing but great reviews. I’m actually looking at a few companies: No.22, Moots, Seven, and a couple other ti + carbon hybrid. No.22 came out with this new performance bike that they 3D print with very high quality Ti and it’s like $12-15k. You should check out those brands I mentioned, they each have their own custom Ti + Carbon Gravel (or full Ti) builds and it’s not going to hurt the bank account too much (I think $6-8k full build). A couple of friends that ride gravel swear by these hybrid type builds for the exact reasons you mentioned.

  • So, I’ve also ridden a wide range of bikes and prices. $11k Wilier Granturismo is 100% more comfortable than Canyon Endurace (at least the CF SL Di2 I use to ride) and the Dogma I rode in Italy was oddly more comfortable than the Canyon (but I don’t own the Dogma, just rented for a few months). The Canyon was 100% more comfortable than the Trek domaine (entry level).

    As for speed, high end bikes have more carbon components than a $4-6k bike, so naturally when you ride a lighter bike you’ll increase your speed to a point. But yes, the thing that makes you faster is you and not necessarily the bike, but having a bike that’s lighter sure does help.

    I’m not totally disagreeing with you btw, I think if I could start all over again I would get fitted, buy a carbon frame + fork + saddle post, Ultegra Di2, carbon wheels and handlebar, like $150 saddle, and I’ll be set. Probably cost around $6-8k, and if I went used I could probably get it for $4k.

    At the same time, why do people buy a BMW? A car just gets you from point A to point B, why would you spend significantly more when a Honda is more economical and reliable? My point is, people can spend their money how they want and that’s okay. $11k got me the perfect bike and there’s nothing I would change about it and I’ll have it for the rest of my life. It’s just odd to me that people get so abrasive (not you, just in general) about the cost of high end bikes, but a $120k car or truck that’s used to go to the grocery store, nobody bats an eye.

  • Bro, I have “trail friends” which are dudes I just see on the trail and we always wave to each other. I have no idea what their names are but a solid wave back from someone you see semi-regularly that’s grinding —> 👋

  • This is actually a great question because I don’t really care what bike you’re ridding, as long as your cool, follow road or trail rules, and wave back lol

    At the end of the day, as long as you’re having fun and being respectful of other people, you’re cool in my book. I do know what you’re talking about though. I actually went on a cycling tour in Italy last year and on some of the group rides we’d have e-bike road bikes join. There wasn’t an issue but back in America..yea different story

  • We’re not millionaires or make a significant amount of money. I saved money aside for my bike and my dad did the same for his stereo system. If you want to look at hobbies that cost a lot of money, looking at boating. People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for boats and nobody blinks an eye. The cost of my bike wouldn’t cover the yearly maintenance for a boat

  • Sorry I didnt mean to come off as abrasive towards you. If someone is giving you shit about the cost of you’re bike then tell them to fuck off. I’ve been cycling and competing for 7 years now, and cycling culture is about the ride, not the bike the rider is on. Some bikes cost $15k, others $1k, and all these expensive components can help you get faster, but at the end of the day, what really makes you faster isn’t the bike, it’s the rider.

  • As someone that has a $11k bike I can clarify some things.

    I have a Wilier Granturismo SLR. About ~90% of the components are carbon fiber. Carbon Fiber, especially high end carbon fiber isn’t cheap. Besides the bike; my wheels, pedals, parts of the cranks, handlebars, saddle, saddle post, and probably some other things are carbon fiber.

    I always hear people talk about getting carbon fiber components for cheaper because you have a shit tin of Chinese companies come in and steal these bike companies IP and make shit frames. Look at Chinorellos, shit ton of Chinese companies steal frame designs and re-make them with shit metal and the bike falls apart after a year.

    Another thing…why does any give a fuck how much my bike costs? My dad is an audiophile guy and my bike costs as much as 1 (not a pair) of his speakers, and he has a mid-range system. Cycling is something that I love, I ride almost everyday and will spend hours and hours on the bike. I’d gladly pay less than $11k on my next bike but when you get into the higher end market you’re going to pay more, that’s true across almost ALL sports or hobby activities

  • Yea this is a bully technique. Scare people (colleges) to conform to your laws or else (“withhold funding”). That’ll work on colleges that are relying heavily on government funded assistance, but when mommy and daddy make over $20 million per year…yea they don’t give a shit. They pay to push people through as qualified, it’s why Donny was elected in the first place 😆