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Or what they're trying to do is way harder than what others are trying to do. Again, you continue to criticize progressives for not achieving enough while offering no solutions. Tell me, what do you think progressives should be doing instead?

Holy shit it's like talking to a brick wall. Is it not possible in your mind for someone to be doing more and achieving less? You want to maybe respond to the points I made about how progressives have to do everything without media or financial support while MAGA has had the backing of extremely wealthy people?

Beyond that, progressives don't just lack support from wealthy donors, the wealthy actively oppose everything we do and even regularly smear us in the media. If you're such a smart guy and know what we should be doing, why aren't you doing it? I promise you progressives are open to new ideas, we're trying everything and then some.

You really think this makes progressives look bad? Why has your entire output on this platform become shitting on progressives for not doing enough when they are the ones doing the most?.

I suppose I should thank you for giving my comment more reach, it seems that more people need to hear this.

Edit: Adding another comment I made to address the point you seem to be clumsily making with this post:

The reason MAGA was able to take over the GOP so easily while the progressives have struggled to take over the DNC is because MAGA had (and still has) the backing of several large donors and owners of mainstream media. The entire mainstream media apparatus has been outright hostile to progressives until very recently, and even now they are reluctant to give full support.

The fact is that Progressives have a much harder fight than fascists because our ideas represent a tangible threat to the wealth and privilege of those in power while fascists' ideas only threaten the powerless (at least at first, many of these wealthy people who are complicit in the rise of fascism will find themselves against the wall too eventually, but they are shortsighted).

Replying to this again because I don't think I addressed your main point. The reason MAGA was able to take over the GOP so easily while the progressives have struggled to take over the DNC is because MAGA had (and still has) the backing of several large donors and owners of mainstream media. The entire mainstream media apparatus has been outright hostile to progressives until very recently, and even now they are reluctant to give full support.

The fact is that Progressives have a much harder fight than fascists because our ideas represent a tangible threat to the wealth and privilege of those in power while fascists' ideas only threaten the powerless (at least at first, many of these wealthy people who are complicit in the rise of fascism will find themselves against the wall too eventually, but they are shortsighted).

They pretend to be weak so they can get away with their blatant corporate bootlicking. They failed to stop fascism not because they are weak, but because they are complicit. They were not incapable of doing what needed to be done, they were unwilling. When you realize this suddenly everything the DNC does (and what they don't do) makes sense. Stop protecting them, they are not our friends, and nothing will be done about the fascist takeover until we oust the neoliberal ghouls from what is supposed to be a working class party and replace them with progressives.

To me it's showing how much of a joke the liberals are, given they are the ones with control over the Democratic party. Because we have a two-party system the only way for progressives to gain power is to take over the DNC, which they've been trying to do for a long time and only now have been able to get somewhat of a foothold.

How can you possibly blame progressives for the Democratic party's failures when they aren't the ones in control?

• David Hogg is funding primary challenges to Democratic incumbents who refuse to obstruct Trump's fascist takeover.
• AOC and Bernie Sanders are doing their Fight Oligarchy tour around the nation to raise support for progressive candidates.
• Progressives all over the US like Kat Abughazaleh and Zohran Mamdani are running for local offices.
• The Congressional Progressive Caucus are the only ones consistently voting against Trump's and the Republicans' cabinet appointees and blatantly unconstitutional bills.
• AOC is regularly hosting virtual events to inform her constituents of their constitutional rights, something for which she is receiving threats of prosecution from the Trump admin.

These are just the things I could think of off the top of my head, and while all this is happening establishment dems like Chuck Schumer and James Carville are actively fighting against the progressives instead of fighting fascism. If it seems like not much is getting done it's because the neoliberal ghouls that have embedded themselves in DNC leadership positions are doing everything they can to force the entire party to "play dead."

Why have you started with this crusade against progressives when they are plainly the only ones doing anything to fight back against fascism right now?

Fascists will always be able to get the establishment on board while anti-capitalists and progressives will always be on their own. Anti-capitalists and progressives threaten their wealth and privilege while fascists seek to preserve it. That's why we're still stuck tying our laces while fascists are halfway down the street.

Not excusing, just explaining. What are you doing to make a change? All I hear from you is complaining.

Right, white people aren't allowed to be activists. Instead they should bitch and moan in internet comment sections about activists not doing enough or not doing the right things while doing nothing themselves.

Liberals haven't been as easy to radicalize. Establishment dems had strong support and to a lesser degree still do. When MAGA took over the GOP the establishment Republicans were the least popular they had ever been.

This is ridiculous. What would Greta have to do to earn your respect, huh? You're really gonna ask "why wasn't she on the boat" as if she planned for the humanitarian aid vessel to be drone striked the day before she was going to board it? The fuck are you doing?

I think another thing you're missing is that while advances in technology historically didn't bring about the apocalypse, they have on numerous occasions been the catalyst for major social upheaval and disaster. Society and culture has to adjust to these kinds of changes to what is possible, and that is not always pretty.

Progressives have been doing the most out of any political bloc, and certainly more than establishment Democrats. If the DNC leadership weren't acting as a barrier to getting anything done then progressives wouldn't have to split their time and efforts between fighting them and fighting the fascists.

If you think that the only thing progressives have been doing is "bitching" about Democrats you need to pull your head out of your ass (or perhaps Chuck Schumer's) and look at reality.

She is both a climate activist and advocate for Palestinian liberation, and framing her risking her life to demonstrate solidarity with the Palestinians as a shallow attempt at staying famous is incredibly ignorant and arrogant.

Biden won 2020, and I think it's safe to say he was fairly establishment.

Barely, and only coming out of Trump's first term that had many people looking for a "return to normal." The Democratic party will never succeed running another Biden every election. The people can see that the status quo is not working for them, and they're fed up with corporate dems telling them that we need to preserve the status quo at all costs.

Call me what you like, but I think you have more in common with me than with MAGA. And if your IFF is malfunctioning, well, I hope you get it checked out soon.

I didn't call you anything. I can see that you're my friend, but the establishment and all the politicians who fight to preserve it instead of fighting the fascists in power are foes, and the sooner you realize that the sooner we can work together to change it.

I highly doubt that the number of people who claim the fact that she's a woman is the reason they didn't vote for her is anywhere near high enough to swing the election. Even if it were, those people are not worth conceding to. There are far more people for whom her gender is irrelevant but did not vote for her due to a myriad of other reasons than there are brain-dead morons who think women just aren't cut out to be president.

This line is coming from neoliberals who can't understand why Hillary and Kamala lost and are blaming sexism because they can't come to terms with the fact that the American people are turning away from the establishment in its entirety.

Yes, sexism is a problem in America. No, it is not why liberals are losing.

Kamala's campaign wasn't fucked because she's a woman, it was fucked because she's a careerist who doesn't believe in anything.