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  • There can be no allyship with someone who understands our experience purely through the lens of political opportunism.

    Do you think all pro-lgbt measures done in socialist states to be about political opportunism? Because in Cuba it took a multi-decade effort while struggling against the influence of the catholic church and colonial-legacy machismo culture to expand lgbt rights to the point that they're better than the US

  • I'm saying his heart is in the right place but he has wrong-headed ideas. Given the guy follows a socialist intellectual tradition it is reasonable that you suggest he gets his head in the right place by understanding socialist social practice on the issue.

  • Honestly this is a really uncharitable reading of what I'm saying.

    If someone ostensibly left-wing or socialist needs to read theory in order value my life and needs as a proletarian ally then they can necessarily be no ally of mine. More work needs to be done beyond tacit academic acceptance.

    Except here it seems the guy does oppose transphobia generally but needs specific work done to advance his understanding of the issue.

    And understanding social practice in other places to improve your own social practice isn't academic. It is not an ivory-tower-ass thing.

    What other minority has to be vetted for their use before being welcomed into your so-called revolutionary project?

    Socialist projects are doing better on lgbt issues because they are recognizing the old bigotry against lgbt people for what it is.

    LGBT people aren't being used, except in the sense that discarding liberal bigotries in general helps make the system more robust.

    I'm literally a trans person btw, I am approaching this from an angle of actually helping people remove their own bigotries. What is your solution here? What should dessalines do to get better on trans issues, concretely? If you're having a hard time articulating your criticism, I would suggest the constructive criticism handbook.

  • Yeah, it seems like he still has some political development on this front to do to chase out some liberal brainstorms.

    I think the guy's heart is in the right place though, I think he just hasn't done the legwork yet on studying how modern socialist states are moving on lgbt issues and why they're doing so.

  • It is pretty obvious that the dynamics of how groups work and how you get people to believe in certain goals are pretty universal.

    Why do you believe this? Because I've studied how fascists currently recruit and the methods are very different from how socialist orgs recruit. I have also studied how fascism developed in nazi Germany, Spain, and Italy, and they seem incredibly different from socialist forms of movement building.

    Populism is designed to abuse how everyone perceives and judges outside information for political gain.

    How can you have left wing populism then?

    I honestly think you’re just throwing around buzzwords, how is all of this this directly related to fascism?

    Populism is a strain of buzzword designed to equate two very different ideologies. Obviously you can't try to minimize fascism directly so since the holocaust fascists have been trying to downplay fascism by making it a symmetrical evil with communism. If you want to learn more I would suggest looking through some of Dovid Katz's writings on holocaust collaboration in Eastern Europe.

    And if you can’t be friendly to people with different opinions, your opinions are only a result of one-sided socialisation, not of discussion and reflection with the help of others.

    I didn't say we weren't friendly to people, I said we aren't friendly to certain ideas.

    And being unfriendly to mainstream ambient opinions that we have decided to reject isn't an indication of one sided socialization. While you might not be socialized to understand socialist ideas, socialists in the west grew up around and are intimately familiar with liberal ideas.

    not of discussion and reflection with the help of others. And therefore on the same level as any other unreflected opinion.

    Luckily though, socialists invest in the social practice of group learning and reflection, including engaging in ruthless criticism of our own ideas. So no, we have established that it is not at the same level.

  • Hey, just as a heads up we discourage the posting of " media bias checkers" here because it is intellectually sloppy to outsource whether you should trust a source to some guy who has their own bias. And MBFC is just some guy, who has no credentials and doesn't do any sort of scientific analysis to determine his ratings.

    Please reply acknowledging you understand this within 48 hours.

  • what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc

    So the wonderful thing about anti-colonial movements is that even if they start right wing they have to get more left wing as time progresses, simply due to the power dynamics that are created through the process of throwing out the imperialists. Once you stop foreign oppression, you have a grassroots mass of militant and armed revolutionaries that you're accountable to and who get upset when you try to reproduce the same economic system. You also are tied at the hip to them as the imperialists seek a return to an old system.

    This includes movements where there is no significant communist presence, but it happens faster when there are communists.

    Luckily, the PLFP is the second biggest party represented in the Palestinian joint operations room and have significant military and political power, meaning that in Palestine it probably will take a lot less time to materialize.