Manmoth @ Manmoth @lemmy.ml

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The left purity spirals and eats their own. There is also an unhealthy obsession with victimhood. If these two things were solved the left would be more successful. It would also cease to be "the left" in any modern sense of the word.

Whenever I hear an inconvenient theory I turn off critical thinking and assassinate the person's character in my mind

Genetic fallacy

It's Israeli hegemony. The entire point of American conquest in the Middle East is Zionism.

If this is the case that's awesome and I had no idea.

It requires a Google account so pretty bad.

I have a perfectly fine moral framework

According to what?

Not everyone has the same beliefs and negative attitude toward it

Not everyone thinks female circumcision is bad either.

for some it can even have a positive impact.

Lol

I don’t believe in absolutist terms.

Do you absolutely believe that?

While your continued failure to comprehend my initial comment is astonishing

Your initial comment is indicative of somebody who hasn't thought seriously about their worldview but feels confident about critiquing others.

You realise most of that could be flipped to say the same thing about religion too, right?

Lol okay. What is your worldview that's so great it's going to set me straight? Let me guess "live and let live dude..."

I'm a Christian. The Gospels are very clear about monogamy and that women are to be cherished and treated with respect. I respect women and recognize they are preyed upon constantly by our over-sexualized culture into dressing more provocatively, chasing impossible lifestyles and possibly having an onlyfans or whatever.

And religion has arguably done more harm to women than porn ever has or will, so if porn is evil, religion must be too.

Even if there was a way to quantify that claim (there's not) and I argued from some tradition like Islam (which I don't) you don't even have a moral framework to argue from so your critique is meaningless. You don't know what is harmful and what isnt. This proven by your next "points".

With places like onlyfans surging in popularity, women (and men) are much less likely to be exploited these days.

Says who? Youth and chastity are being exploited. You don't think showing your genitalia to the entire world at 18 will have negative effects to mental, emotional and spiritual health now or later in life? It's nihilistic, degenerate and utterly devoid of meaning and promise. It is the basest form of entertainment, income and existence. It's disgusting and everyone secretly knows it which is why your initial comment was a vague, limp-wristed platitude instead of direct defense of pornography. Something you still lack the conviction to say authoritatively because you know what I'm saying is true.

There's a lot less degrading content out there

Like you would know what is degrading and what isnt.

many healthy couples who watch (and make) porn together, with no negative impact on their lives.

"Healthy". Yeah that sounds real healthy. They are so healthy they have to resort to watching other people having sex when they should be spending time together making or raising kids. Who knows the conditions of the poor souls they are watching.

The fact that you think watching porn is healthy is an indicator that it has had a negative impact on your life.

You have no moral framework which is why this is fine to you. Porn is so disgusting and degenerate you have to be wilfully ignorant or totally blinded not to recognize it.

No one wants their daughter to grow up to be a porn star or their son to grow up to be a porn addict. That in and of itself should be enough evidence that it is a scourge with no generative potential for anyone.

The fact that you think that's a burn just proves my point. If you watch porn you should seriously stop. It's terrible for your brain chemistry, personal relationships, emotional health, vitality and spiritual state. It exploits women and severely damages the way men see women. Human sexuality gets hijacked and instead of having a loving relationship people are stuck in private viewing shameful images and pleasuring themselves for years not understanding that they are literally wasting their life and potential. People get addicted to the instant release of porn which harms personal relationships and longer-form activities that take continual effort and nuance and bring a higher order of pleasure and happiness. It's probably good that porn frequently distracts people from having kids because undoubtedly the child would eventually be exposed to it purposefully or not by the parent at some point. So even if I accept your premise -- porn is evil.

Go back to watching porn.

Their icky emotions about it predate religion.

You're going to have to prove that one because religion has existed alongside humanity for all of known history and marriage of first cousins is still common in the Arab world.

We already know that rules against incest don't lead to rules against people with defects reproducing.

Says who? We've only just started our journey down the path of total secularity. We have no idea how this is going to play out. China's CRISPR program has already demonstrated that gene editing is possible and Canada is letting people kill themselves. Brave New World already imagined how these ideas will run wild once free of the baggage of the past. Secularity has no moral construct. All options are on the table including the sterilization of people with hereditary defects.

You're expecting people who support gay marriage to convince you about some other thing.

No I'm saying that gay marriage crosses the rubicon. It is a complete departure from what marriage means in any historical or religious context. Which begs the question of what it is and why it even exists. If gays can marry despite prohibition across all cultures for all of human history then where are the limits? Who sets those limits and why to they get to be in charge of who gets to be married? It all falls apart you see.

And if any of these social taboos are actually a good idea, then you're lumping gay marriage in with them, like comparing gays to pedophiles.

Don't dismiss the argument because you are uncomfortable with the possible implications. Contend with the premise. You drew that conclusion not me.

Profound.

If you have a position state it directly instead of hiding behind a low effort platitude.

All the people I'm talking about are bought and paid for

Pooleman is the milquetoastiest of fence sitters. Centerish is a fine adjective for him.

They are all part of the broader complex of "new media". You have these guys on the right. Tim Poole is centerish. I don't know much about the left side of the controlled media sphere but I'm sure they exist and are funded by the same people. If anyone listens to these guys they don't value their own time.

No one cares AOC

Irrelevant to what I said.

Your view is an intellectually honest one from a modernist perspective. I would go further though and say that marriage should have no secular existence at all.

• polygamy is patriarchy, gay marriage isn't

First of all this is a self-refuting assumption. It assumes out of the gate that women aren't equally capable of leveraging polygamy to the subjugation of men. If women are not equally capable of abusing polygamy then patriarchy is naturalistic. If they ARE equally capable then this objection collapses.

Secondarily modernity leverages nothing but subjective feelings to make a moral claim about why something like patriarchy is wrong in the first place. "Patriarchy is bad" says who? And why should anyone care? Most of the world and history disagrees with that characterization. If cultural imperialism is "bad" isn't it culturally imperialist to wholly reject all surviving traditions that predate the last 150 years because they aren't compatible with an emergent value system? I could go on but hopefully you get my point about rootless modernism and it's lack of justification for ought claims. Not to mention the lack of logical consistency for their ever-changing framework.

• incest is bad for the gene pool, gay marriage isn't

Should people with genetic defects be able to reproduce? To what extent are we just acting as eugenicists?

Marriage and the rules around it are inherited from traditions that modernism rejects. The attempt to continue PARTS of these traditions by arbitrarily picking and choosing rules because of what makes us "comfortable" undermines the authority of marriage in general. Why even continue it?

Modernist takes on marriage are anathema to the entire point of marriage in the first place. Furthermore modernism offers no satisfactory reasons for why "modern marriages" should exist at all. "Taxes" is often cited but this could be managed in many other ways. (e.g. legal contractual relationships that enable many of the same benefits ala power of attorney)

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