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Perfect quote and absolutely relevant.

I was wondering the same thing when Trump said Bondi should release all "relevant" information from the Epstein file. Who determines whats "relevant"? Better not be Pedo Donnie.

It didn’t work well Canada-wide.

You mean when he lost the popular vote by less than 2% and gained 25 seats while the Liberals only gained 9? Yeah, obviously nobody liked him or the Conservatives, eh?

Dude I never said anything like that. Sexuality is wonderful and a fantastic part of a relationship. Nothing wrong with it as the Song of Solomon and my marriage would attest. But we're not talking about 'sexuality' we're talking about people USING other people for their own lustful desire. Which is NOT wonderful. There is nothing good or right about a financial transaction so you can use someone else to get your rocks off - its not love, its not compassionate, its not empathetic, its just plain lustful selfishness. And therein lies the harm. You cant do that to another person and not harm them.

and isn’t harmful

And there's the problem.

Real "acting" doesnt involve exposing yourself to someone for money and then doing the most intimate thing two people can do so that ONE person can gratify themself and the other can be used. Ive talked to a sex worker who was 18 and she grew up being abused by her father and her uncle. Her comment was, "people are going to fuck me anyway, I may as well get paid for it" Does that sound like someone who is happy to be in sex work? Or just an victim of abuse who has given up on trying to protect herself.

Really. So the only reason that sex workers hide what they do is ONLY because they will be stigmatized by others? But they are inherently happy with selling their bodies to lusty men for money cause that makes them feel fulfilled and legitimate and empowered?

Huh. Thats kinda preposterous.

NO ONE is happy with being a sex worker because they have to do mental gymnastics to pretend that its not degrading and soul crushing work. And NO ONE stays in sex work long term because it'll kill your self esteem after awhile. Even OnlyFans, who say they feel safer online, get disgusted with trying to please gross men online because it never ends and always degrades to worse acts til they've had enough of being treated like a piece of meat. Selling your soul for a dollar. Its not legitimate work in any way, you can only pretend that it is for so long and then reality sets in.

Are you really arguing that putting in a hard days work in a factory is the SAME as having sex with strangers for money? REALLY?

Ive never had my boss come into my office and ask me to get naked so he can sodomize me, no. Is that a common occurrence at most office jobs?

Talk to cops and lawmakers. They dont want sex work legitimized because its connected to a ton of other crime that is also not legitimate. You cant say this part is legal and ok without creeping into those other areas too. Its all a negative effect on society just like legalizing drugs has an overall negative effect. Just because its difficult to stamp it out doesnt mean we need to legitimize it.

Has it ever occured to you that those abuses happen because of people’s attempts to delegitimize it?

No, I dont believe that anyone is trying to DE-legitimize it, because its never been legitimate. Yes, prostitution has been around for a long time, but its never been an honorable way to make money, its always been looked down on because people know inherently that selling your body for money isn't good for anyone. Its soul crushing and degrading and no matter how many 'happy' OnlyFans out there, no one WANTS to continue doing it into their later adult years. There are lots of mental gymnastics people do to try and accept all the bad choices theyve made but that doesnt make them good choices, it just helps them survive.

She was a nude model AND she ran in the same circles as Epstein and Maxwell AND she ended up with Pedo Donnie and you dont think she did sex work? That woman sold her soul to get with Donnie and given all the testimony from other women about how degrading Donnie treated them, she worked HARD to get to be his side piece and then wife. I feel sorry for her.

Youre the massively judgmental one. I never degraded anyone, but you're here calling me a shithead. Hmm... which one of us is judgmental?

Are sewer workers USED (and often abused) by other people for their own pleasure when they do their work? Completely different scenario.

The only people who think sex work is fine are those who dont do it and havent talked in depth to someone who has. I spent five years on the street making friends with girls and boys who did it to survive. There is NOTHING good about it. NOTHING. Its degrading, its soul crushing. Its VERY often accompanied by physical or psychological abuse which is why sex workers kept 'bad date' lists to warn other workers of the really creepy guys. Its a horrible way to make money but they did it because they didnt have any other way to survive. Next time you have rose colored glasses on about sex work, give me a call and Ill put you in touch with a 12 yr old girl who was pimped out by her 16 yr old sister and you can have a long discussion about the joys of sex work. Or with a 16 yr old boy who ran away from home and ended up getting sodomized by a man in a park because he needed 40 bucks to get a meal. Its really glamorous stuff, everyone loves it.

You dont know anything about me. I founded an outreach charity for street kids at risk thats been running for 30 years. We have helped hundreds of kids out of addiction, out of entrapment in sex work, out of poverty and into healthy lifestyles primarily through friendship. Stop projecting your own issues onto others.

And WHY does society stigmatize sex workers? Because its degrading to women, its manipulative, and its generally used by men who USE people for their own gratification which is completely disrespectful. NO women (or man) ever grew up as a child thinking "I sure hope I can be a sex worker some day" because its a job of last resort.

In your humble opinion, sure. I know a lot of guys who wouldn't date a porn 'star' because they usually have other issues that make them undateable. And Im speaking from experience. I worked with sex workers for five years in a street outreach in a major city. Every single one of those girls/guys were there because of bad circumstances in their lives - and it was very often abuse or drugs that kept them locked into sex work. The whole idea that its a victimless job if you do it online is a joke. Its a sick world and it only destroys people's souls in the long run. Only the inexperienced and horny men want to believe there are no personal consequences. There most definitely are.

Dude. one of my kids is a house cleaner. Give up your prejudiced opinion. But the difference between her and the average retail worker is she decided to start her own company and has now got enough work she can hire another worker. And she works her ass off scrubbing other people's toilets, bathtubs and sinks for hours a day on her knees.

There IS a way out of the hole if a person is motivated enough. But I dont have sympathy for those who aren't motivated enough to bust their asses to move up the ladder.

Well might be ok with you, but I think the average woman has more respect for herself than doing porn shoots and I certainly wouldn't date someone who didn't have a higher standard than that. All those girls doing Only Fans are finding out the hard way that it comes back to bite you in the long run.

He's such a pervert.

Says he'd date his daughter if she wasnt his daughter

Marries a woman who does soft porn shoots

Rapes a child and then the case 'disappears'

Gets charged for sexual assault and then slanders the woman who won the case. Ordered to pay her over 80 million in damages which of course he wont

Sexually assaulted a woman who was trying out for the Apprentice

Says 'you can grab them by the pussy'

His first wife accused him of rape during their divorce proceedings

TWENTY FIVE women have publicly accused him of sexual assault. One or two could be a conspiracy but 25?!!

This perverted asshole should be behind bars NOT pretending to be king of America.

Yes Im aware of the difference. I guess the issue is that I dont see the people who are not making it being the economies fault, primarily because I have 3 adult children and 3 adult step children between 25 and 39 and they are ALL doing ok financially. One is just getting by, the the other five are already making more money and living more comfortably than I did at their age and they're doing it on their own, with no help from us. So I have a hard time understanding why anyone cant make IF they want to bad enough in Canada. The opportunities are here (2 of my kids are self starting entrepreneurs) if you work hard enough. Yes, wages are stagnant if you're working retail at a mall, but no one's stopping anyone from upgrading their education and getting a better job. Our immigrants do it, Canadians can do it too.