chapotraphouse @hexbear.net Egon [they/them] @hexbear.net 2 wk. ago

Hexbear lore: The "power dynamics" thread

hexbear.net Hot take: 26 year olds should not fuck 19 year olds. - Hexbear

It's not illegal, but it's still weird, creepy and potentially harmful and no amount of lambasting about "the problematic age gap discourse" will make it not true.

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Liberalsocialist was only doing what the unions wanted them to do.
- LiberalSocialist wasn’t perfect but they are the harm reduction lesser evil
  
  Do you disagree?
- Do you disagree?
The origin of this thread was that the D*stiny subreddit had suspected that Hasan Piker had gone on a date with Paris Jackson, Michael Jackson's daughter. LiberalSocialist often reposted threads from the D*stiny subreddit. LiberalSocialist was a very obvious wrecker from the start.

Paris Jackson was 19, almost 20 at the time. Hasan Piker was 26. Paris Jackson was also incredibly wealthy at the time. This was before Hasan had money or fame, it was before he even started his twitch channel. If there was any power dynamic in this situation, it was the multimillionaire heiress who had the power. I don't think a romance was ever even confirmed. Also I think they are still friends who keep in touch.

https://nitter.poast.org/ParisJacksonMX/status/949823837335531522
Oh I remember that shit. I didn't post in that because I've learned to shut the fuck up when the going gets stupid. Probably why I've never caught a ban despite being stupid. Remember folks, you can always choose not to post.
- Yeah, I come to Hexbear to get away from the drama and bullshit of the rest of the internet
  
  That's like going to a metro station to avoid public transport
- But you can’t make me not post.
  
  you're goddamn right comrade. except in the comms i moderate
Hexbear bore
As I said, heterosexuality is unavoidable and even necessary to an extent. I’m not against it in principle.

based???

I'm a liberal socialist, not a fascist.

man this guy rocks why'd he get banned anyways?

Dating at any age is weird and creepy. Keep your vital essences to yourself at all times.

thank you, comrade alaskaball.

You said you were against "vibe-based politics" or something but that's all I have, currently.

truly putting the "liberal" in "liberal socialist"
- why did he get banned?
  
  Power dynamics
  
  Power dynamics.
I feel like a complete idiot for actually trying to give an honest answer about how you can disagree with something morally, but that doesn't mean that it must be illegal or punished by the state.
- For example: cigarettes
  
  I hate them, hate their smell, hate being around people who smoke, will never smoke myself and think they are killing people
  
  I still don’t think they should be banned
  
  Other examples would be interpersonal lying and cheating on your partner. Both are immoral, both should not be enforced by the state.
  
  I think they should be banned. They are quite literally cancer sticks.
- I agree with this in a vacuum but I find this position odd in the specific context of the topic at hand. The way people talk about persons over 25 dating persons under 22, it seems people feel this is tantamount to actual pedophilia. So, you think this is almost as bad as molesting children, but also it should be legal? Why?
  
  I don't really see any downsides to raising the age of consent if this is actually true. The only retort I've heard is that raising the AOC could be weaponized against queer youth, but couldn't that be said of the current AOC? Weaponizing the AOC against queers under 17, acceptable, weaponizing it against early 20s queers crosses a line! Also I think there's ways of preventing that which don't involve NOT having an AOC so we could just raise it and do those things.
  
  Mind you I'm not advocating for raising the AOC here I'm just saying if you think 18-22/3/4 year olds aren't REAL adults and having sex with them is borderline pedophilia, then it's weird not to take the next logical step and make it legally pedophilia.
  
  The answer is that consent isn’t a binary, it’s actually a complex gradient. We all acknowledge this when we talk about power dynamics involved, we are talking about a sort of half-consent.
  
  Marxists also acknowledge consent in things like work and economy is not binary. The Libertarians who are obsessed with contracts and voluntarism believe there is a clear binary of consent, where if you sign a contract you agree to everything. They ignore the complex gradient of coercion that comes into play from desperation for employment, desperation for housing, corporate domination of the legal system, etc.
  
  Actually reviewing every single sexual relationship to determine all of the factors involved including age, relation, wealth, traumatic pasts, cognitive abilities, sobriety level, etc. is an insanely monumental task for any government. One that would involve massive invasions of privacy as well.
  
  So to function, we have to sort of have a line we draw in the sand where we say consent in binary. Otherwise the state could not function and would be overwhelmed by this complexity and scale (hundreds of millions of relationships to review).
  
  The way people talk about persons over 25 dating persons under 22, it seems people feel this is tantamount to actual pedophilia. So, you think this is almost as bad as molesting children, but also it should be legal? Why?
  
  Because I obviously don't think that, and I was trying to explain it to them from their perspective.
  
  Applying to the bureau for a dating license after they analyze our current relationship parameters.
Liberalsocialist truly was one of the posters of all time.
Wasn't that also the poster who said Picasso should have been a coal miner?
- he truly was the poster
They were also the reason why the news com added a new rule.

The "-- Mass tagging comm moderators across multiple posts like a broken markov chain bot will result in a comm ban--"
"Do you disagree?"
- "Its what the union members wanted!"
  
  Nope... wait... wrong thread.
god i miss him, he nuked the platform like no one else
- Honestly he at least behaved himself during movie nights from what I remember but maybe something happened when I wasn't around
  
  He definitely made me laugh, still not sure if anything he said was intended to be funny
!bestofhexbear@hexbear.net
We need more of this, we have lost our roots when it comes to arguing about banal shit for hundreds of comments.
That was like that persons least bad take why does everyone focus on it so much?
- The comment pasting of "Power dynamics" probably
  
  They always spam the same phrases on every thread though it was their thing
I know how to solve the debate once and for all. Just go through the thread and tally up everyone who is banned vs everyone who is still here. Whichever side has more people remaining on the site must have been correct.

Seriously though this is one of the few "struggle sessions" you can find my comments in because obviously this take is correct, if everyone involved is above like 25 and mature enough then fine date whoever you want, idc if the gap is 30 and 95. But if you're above the age of 25 and dating a teenager that is a child and you belong in the
- I have always maintained that the "am I definitely a fucking paedo if I am dating this person?" measurement is
  
  ROUNDUP( [YOURAGE] / 2 + 7 )
  
  At least until everybody is 25 or older—then age matters a lot less than other power dynamics (wealth, social connections, etc.).
- Honest question, let's say you're a 29M who has never dated before or anything remotely close to it, and rather suddenly you have a 18F going around asking other people about you and generally sending the vibe that they want to date you, what should you do?
  
  I'm asking because that actually happened to me, and I decided to just go along with it because partly why not and my dating life wasn't going to get any better doing with me nothing anyways.
  
  Well, I'll do ya one better. If I, right now, at 24 years old, suddenly attracted the attention / infatuation of an 18 year old child, I would maybe be flattered and find it amusing and let her down gently, assuring her that she can certainly find a suitable partner among her peers. An 18 year old child is either in high school or freshly out of high school, almost certainly still living with their parents, most likely has never worked full time or had to worry about supporting themselves, does not have the life skills or experience to be an appropriate partner for me. We are in different stages of our lives.
best poster this site has had in a long time, even funnier bcs imo they weren't even doing a bit
What was the actual final straw for their permaban? I dont remember
- Pretty sure it was for defending AOC’s support of a strikebreaking bill or getting too sectarian (or both)
  
  Neither, really. They were banned for "sustained hostility," a fair bit after that big thread where they got dogpiled. They got into the mindset of "me against the site" and got really combative over every little thing, always looking to pick fights and push contentious angles. I had a bit more sympathy for them than most, but at a certain point getting them off the site was probably better for them.
  
  The final straw was that they started going around saying stuff like: "he/him, man detected, opinion discarded," but it was really more about the sustained hostility.
  
  She’s doing what the unions want. Do you disagree?
Jaysus wept... a coupled piked heads from @LiberalSocialist@hexbear.net to @Pluto@hexbear.net...

Now, I'm gonna check their ban logs...
- Oh, Pluto finally got banned? What was the final straw?
  
  Shitstirring... see his modlog, specifically on his askchapo post about Gaddafi....
i said it then and I'll say it now: this was one of the few good LiberalSocialist takes. I don't know about should never, but such a relationship will always have me raising my eyebrows
I've got a lot of favorite awful threads, but this (power dynamics thread) is very near the top of the list.

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