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Just in case you missed it: there have been serious accusations against Till Lindemann, the singer of Rammstein, recently. Apparently his band managers contact young female Rammstein fans on social media before concerts, inviting them to secret after show parties where they get lots of alcohol and Till can choose one to drug even more and take to bed with him. Multiple women have come forward with similar claims and the social media thing has been well documented as far as I know. The case went to court but was dropped because there wasn't enough proof and now he acts like nothing ever happened. I think everyone listening to the band should know about this.
Well the court case went by innocent, because none of the women who claimed to be drugged showed up.
You can make with that information what you want.
While the allegations are serious, we cannot keep spreading rumors that have not been shown true. It's a work for the justice system to determine the guilt. Obviously I am against sexual abuse, but social media is not a justice system and there is a huge risk for innocent to be lynched.
Maybe But row zero alone is enough reason for me to say fuck them
Be cause no rock star ever sought out consensual sex.
I wonder how someone is supposed to defend themselves against accusations when even a lack of evidence is not enough for people.
As others already pointed out, none of the woman accusing Lindemann was willing to go to court with their claims. Even tho, that so far it looks like everything he did was legal you can still talk about him absuing the power he has over his fans. I kinda doubt, that a lot of girls would say no, if a 40 year older rock superstar asks for sex. Legally speaking she may gave her consent, but morally I think that he devinetively abused his power and status.
Probably an accusation created by the FBI because Rammstein made a song about America. /shrug
Great, this post has been removed. So much for freedom of speech at this sub.
Great. removed by mods. So much for freedom of speech at this sub.
I disagree, how can someone's share of responsibility in a situation that includes the actions and motivations of another person be 100%? That's incorrect at best.
Assuming consent in general, the only illegal part was
Till can choose one to drug even more
Drunk and drugged people can't consent.
Agreed. Rockstar status is irrelevant.
I judge people on plenty of things that are legal. You probably do it too
Rock stars, groupies, parties and drugs are as old as music itself.
Consent is the only issue here.
Rock stars, groupies, parties and drugs are as old as music itself.
That doesn't apply to having a team that does sex casting on social media for the artist though.
Disagree. I don't see why someone's popularity is relevant.
The only thing of importance is freely given consent.
"Hey he only raped someone! Leave him alone already. Also other people also did it before."
This is what you sound like.
Besides your point beeing incredibly idiotic, there is also way more to the story, like abuse of power. If you bring somone behind 3 lines of massive bouncers and take their phones away basically nothing you do afterwards has anything to do with consent.
So all bands should allow phones backstage and have no bouncers?
Consent is the key issue here, for both drugs and sex. I'm making no apologies for anyone who abuses either.
Ah yes, the only illegal part is the rape.