Even if god exists religion can't possibly be the way to god
Even if god exists religion can't possibly be the way to god
So I thought about this in the shower amd it makes sense to me, like praying and stuff never worked for most people I know, so a direkt link to god gotta be unlikely. That made me conclude that religion is probably fake, no matter if there's a god or not. Also people speaking to the same god being given a different set of rules sounds stupid, so at least most religions must be fake.
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Preface: I'm a Christian, so this will be about the Christian view on things. I can't really speak for other religions, since I don't really know enough about them.
On prayer: asking for miracles is not actually the main point of prayer, the main parts are listening to God, and God listening to you. Imagine a perfect parent/child relationship. Sure, there will be the occasional "hey dad, I need some money to make this month's rent. Can you help please?" or similar conversation, but most of the time it will be the child learning from the wisdom of the parent, or the parent helping the child vent. If you want to see an example of what Christianity says is the sort of things to pray, look at the book of Psalms in the bible.
On other religions: yes, of course at least most religions are fake. A false religion could be started by someone who believes they heard from God but got it wrong, or someone who wants to be the head of a religion for their own gain. Many religions warn about false prophets, so this is hardly a surprising thing.
Other religions are fake, but my religion....
As it turns out, religion is faith based
Have you never disagreed with someone? At that point, at least one of you is wrong. You believe what must be true based on what you've seen, so of course you think you're right.
It's the same with religion. Because there's disagreement between each different belief (including atheism and such), there can be at most one correct option. I believe Christianity, because based on what I've seen that is by far the most sound option.
You think there can only be one god? That sounds limiting. I don't believe in any, but say does Buddhism really contradict most of Christianity real values? Like be good to people (help the less fortunate) try to let things go to not burden your well being (praying for forgiveness), respect others (do unto others). Besides having to actually believe in a god what's the difference between the two? Though the Buddhist view I'm thinking of doesn't require a god either but both seem to have teachings of compassion and love for your fellow person (some restrictions apply when dealing with intolerant types). I'm not saying you shouldn't have faith but don't say one has to be wrong.
Christianity and Buddhism (as well as many other religions) agree on a lot of the things you should do, but not why you should do them. Christianity says everyone is made in the image of God, so should be treated with love, while Buddhism (as far as I know) says showing compassion improves your karma and brings you closer to enlightenment. It might not seem like that difference matters, and according to some religions it doesn't, but some religions (especially Christianity) that difference in reason means everything. With Christianity, the only way to heaven is through Jesus, so a Buddhist living a life of love and compassion would be no closer to heaven.
I have a lot of opinions and beliefs that I can realize probably aren't correct
I wish I could bury my head into the sand enough to believe this clap-trap bullshit. Why does God never answer the prayers of amputees?
In most parent / child relationships, the child outlives the parent.
Why would that change anything? Regardless of who dies when, a good parent wants to bless their child, and a child wants to learn from a good parent.
Really loved your analogy of a parent child relationship. And parents sometimes have to say no because they know in the long run it’ll be better for the kid.
Very sad to me to see all the people in this comment thread so confident that God doesn’t exist simply because he doesn’t answer every single person’s prayer with yes. Did we create the entire world from nothing? Did we create ourselves? Do we control the weather or keep the earth in its orbit? God is so much bigger than any of us can even imagine, and so much stronger and wiser too.
I’ve seen God work throughout my life by answering prayers, and yes this means he has said no, but he’s also said yes many times. Gone through and going through very hard things, but God uses hard things to bring us closer to him.
I guess in relation to the very negative comments about God, all we can do as believers is pray he’ll open their eyes one day. The love and comfort you feel from a relationship with him is unlike anything else.
It's not that intercessory prayer needs to work 100% to be convincing, it just needs to beat random chance and it doesn't do that.
Natural processes can describe how those things came to exist without needing to appeal to supernatural claims or gods.
You've seen things you attribute to a god, but people in other religions attribute the same things to their god and so far I don't think anyone has shown empirical evidence for any gods, and I don't know about you but I use empirical evidence when changing my confidence on whether something or someone exists or doesn't.
Many people have a negative opinion on organized religion because we can see the negative effects believing things without sufficient evidence can have on individuals and communities.
Can an atheist pray to god to ask for the enlightenment of his/her/its believers?
An atheist can 100% pray to God! I’m slightly confused by the second part. Are you asking if an atheist can ask God to make his believers not believers anymore?
That’s right.
I mean yes, an atheist can definitely ask God for that. However, I believe in predestination, which means that God already knows who will trust in Christ for their salvation. So, God will not allow one of his children to slip away from him. Short answer, I don’t believe God would say yes to that prayer when it comes to his people.
So god never answers the prayers of atheists… sounds pointless.
Predestination - sounds like you’re talking about god’s plan… why pray then? If it’s already in a plan, it’ll happen. If it’s not in the plan, it won’t.
If god doesn’t allow his children to slip away, how do you explain the actual verifiable existence of atheists and people that formerly had religion?
Well of course God won’t answer a prayer that would negatively affect one of his true followers.
I believe in God’s plan for the world as well as free will. I agree it’s paradoxical, but I’m not God, so I have made peace with the fact I will never understand that. I trust the Lord and know he’s beyond my understanding as a finite, mortal human. God wants us to pray because he knows it is good for us. Think of a relationship, you have to stay in constant communication to stay close. I feel farthest from God when my prayer life has been slacking.
God’s children are his chosen people, aka his true believers. I believe that people who have fallen away from their faith and never come back never had a real relationship with him to begin with. But, I believe anyone who has fallen away can always come back to him before they pass away.
These are really good and valid questions, and I’m happy to answer them. Praying for your heart, friend
Why would you worship a God that casts aside so many people and condemns them to hell? Sounds more like a Devil.
Well of course God won’t answer a prayer that would negatively affect one of his true followers.
No true Scotsman fallacy. Any time anyone can show someone praying for a negative thing against a follower you'll simply say that they weren't a "true follower".
Well of course God won’t answer a prayer that would negatively affect one of his true followers.
...I’m not God, so I have made peace with the fact I will never understand that.
Could you share what makes you so confident in the first quote, despite what you say in the second quote? How can you know God would not or has not answered any prayers that negatively affected a true follower, and how can one define whether God has negatively affected a true follower when one cannot intimately know God's true intentions?
What a bunch of horseshit. Your God is a monster.
Well you can, but that doesn't mean God will do it. You're asking a father, who loves his children, to remove their choice in the matter and force them away, despite him knowing it's better for them to stay.
If God never answers the prayers of non-followers; he’s really not convincing anyone new that he exists.
When did I say that? I just said that specific prayer will never be answered
Maybe it would; I don’t think you get to decide.