'He’s truly lost his mind': Lindsey Graham ripped after calling D-Day a 'failure' on CBS
'He’s truly lost his mind': Lindsey Graham ripped after calling D-Day a 'failure' on CBS
A nuanced attempt by Sen. Linsey Graham (R-SC) to assert that the U.S. should never have been in the position to have to launch the Normandy invasion 80 years ago fell with a thud on Sunday morning after he told a CBS host that D-Day was a "failure."Discussing battling Russian President Vladimir Put...
We celebrated the 80th anniversary of D-Day. It was a failure. It was the 'unnecessary war, ' described by Winston Churchill. We had a dozen chances to stop Hitler. It's not about NATO. It's not about American weapons in Ukraine. It's about a megalomaniac wanting to create the Russian Empire by force of arms.
Bad choice of words, but this reads to me like we should have acted earlier with Hitler. And we should now with Putin as well.
Even though he says it's not about NATO, he's trying to lay groundwork for anti NATO posturing. Anything that makes it more cozy for pro Putin sentiment his guy is championing.
How? I read it as "What's happening in Ukraine has nothing to do with NATO expansion but is about a megalomaniac trying to recreate the Russian Empire"... Basically, it would have happened even if NATO expansion hadn't.
Bad choice of words? Either he’s so far-gone that he doesn’t realize that the second half of what he says contradicts the first half or he’s a master troll, but to so artfully undermine one’s own argument so succinctly is, I dare say, an excellent choice of words.
It’s as if there’s a reasonable person trapped deep down inside of him, struggling to break free, so we get kinda disjointed utterances from him like this occasionally. He used to be very good at being anti-Trump. It’s funny how he is sometimes very bad at being pro Trump.
The Neville Chamberlain of our time is Angela Merkel. Her softballing of any and all reactions to the 2014 invasion (more or less the Anschluss of our time) was categorically inexcusable and deeply wrongheaded.
The Neville Chamberlain of our time is Angela Merkel.
I thought the modern view of Chamberlain had evolved. Chamberlain knew that the UK wasn't prepared for war. If the UK had instead went head to head with the Axis powers in Europe the UK armed forces would have been quickly been overwhelmed. Instead, with the "appeasement" doctrine, it bought time for the UK to prepare to be on the front lines of war, as well as turn up the war machine of USA industry.
I didn't think the old thought that Chamberlain didn't think think Hitler was a threat was still the common idea.
Yeah that what I'm reading from it as well, I don't know how much I believe the chode, but if he's suggesting we put our foot up putins ass, then I'm all for it.
Wait, he's saying D-Day was a failure of appeasement?
The way I understand it is that reaching the point where D-Day was necessary shows our failure because it should never have been allowed to happen in the first place.
But I might be too optimistic
I mean, the guy is just falling over himself to demonstrate his ignorance of the war. British high command had loads of very easy opportunities to kill Hitler but chose not to incase someone who wasn't a speedball addicted, half crazed walking liability took over instead.
And the head of the republican party.
It's not, he's referencing a book that essentially says Chamberlain didn't appease enough. It's thesis is defeating the Nazis led to the downfall of Western civilization. It's straight crypto fascist claptrap.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill,_Hitler_and_the_Unnecessary_War
The US didn't enter the war until well after the battles at Stalingrad. The reason is, the US was hoping that the Nazis would destroy the USSR. Once it was clear that the USSR was actually winning, the USA and GB swooped in to clean up the Western Front so that the USSR couldn't take credit, despite losing 20 million people to the Nazi invasion.
The one time the US waged war against a fascist state that the US didn't help into power in the first place - so of course critters like Graham would consider this an "unnecessary war."
Well... A lot of US corporations and businessmen DID help Hitler and the Nazis. It's just that now-a-days those corporations control the government too... So supporting fascists is official gov policy
Including George W. Bush's grandad:
Bush was a founder and one of seven directors (including W. Averell Harriman) of the Union Banking Corporation (holding a single share out of 4,000 as a director), an investment bank that operated as a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen, an early supporter and financier of the Nazi Party. In July 1942, the bank was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders. A subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations but confirmed the Thyssens' control, and in October 1942 the United States seized the bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II.
Sure. For the most part, the US gov didn't sign onto that... except for that time the US and the UK decided to pressure France and Mexico into stopping all logistical aid to the Spanish anarchists - making a fascist victory in Spain essentially a foregone conclusion.
It was a dumb thing for him to say, because it contradicts his position now that we shouldn't do anything about Russia, but he's saying it was a failure because we should have acted sooner to stop Hitler and the war was unnecessary for the same reason that we should have stopped Hitler sooner.
Again, the stupidity here is that he is opposed to us stopping Putin, he clearly wanted us to stop Hitler. No reason to misrepresent it.
Imagine saying this 15 or 20 years ago when we still had lots of WWII vets alive. He’d be done.
“All wars are fought twice, the first time on the battlefield, the second time in memory”
I don't think so. My father was in the RAF during the war. Bombed by the Germans and shot at by the Japanese. He is also the reason I'm a pacifist.
His brother-in-law was part of the BEF, that was rescued at Dunkirk.
Neither of them were particularly chatty about the war.
I think that for those that faced the horror of the war, almost all of them would have preferred not to have to endure that brutality. If an earlier intervention with Hitler could have prevented D-Day, I think most veterans of that conflict would be all for it.
Looks like Lindsey's mouth got ahead of his brains. It's been known to happen.
That's quite the understatement, check this one out: Lindsey Graham suggests Israel should nuke Gaza and claims Hiroshima bomb was ‘the right thing’
Jesus fucking CHRIST
well, it was a failure for his ideological side
Not even sure what he was trying to say?
D-day was a failure of appeasement?
D-day was why appeasement failed?
Too many lives were lost on d day to call it “a victory”?
That we should totally go all in on supporting Ukraine? Even with troops?
That Putin’s invasion isn’t about nato? Or that we should leave nato because it’s leading to war?
The fact that D-day had to happen is a failure on our part because the whole thing could have been stopped much sooner.
Ukraine isn't about NATO expansion or American weapons in Ukraine, it's about a megalomaniac trying to recreate the Russian Empire (implying that we shouldn't wait for another failure and for another D-day to be necessary).
I canceled my cable subscription a while ago and now I listen to most of my news. Good gracious, he does not even look the same. He looks like he has gained a lot of weight. He doesn’t look well at all.
Whats he whining about now? He shoulda been sent back to his grandmas house long ago
God, what a shitty article. The title quote is literally just from some random internet person.
Lindsey Graham supports Ukraine. If you look at anything else he's said on the subject, including the rest of the interview, his stance on it is abundantly clear. Newsweek, for example, covers the remarks while doing the most basic level of journalistic integrity by presenting the context rather than covering a bunch of random social media dunks from randos who don't know what they're talking about.
Graham firmly responded, "No, it represents him and him alone. If you spend 15 minutes studying Putin and what he wants, he wants to recreate the Russian Empire. He's not going to stop in Ukraine. It's not about NATO [North Atlantic Treaty Organization], it's not about American weapons in Ukraine, it's about a megalomaniac wanting to create the Russian Empire by force of arms."
"If we help Ukraine now, they could become the best business partner we ever dreamed of They're sitting on a goal mine. To give Putin 10-12 trillion that he will share with China is ridiculous."
"There's $300 billion sitting in Europe from Russian sovereign wealth, assets that we should seize and give to Ukraine. We have Russian money in America we should seize. We should make Russia a state sponsor of terrorism under U.S. law. When I suggested that to President Zelensky, he lit up like a Christmas tree. Making Russia a state sponsor of U.S.- state sponsor of terrorism under U.S. law would be a very big blow to Russia."
You're eating your own, libs.
"We celebrated the 80th anniversary of D-Day. It was a failure. It was the 'unnecessary war, ' described by Winston Churchill. We had a dozen chances to stop Hitler. It's not about NATO. It's not about American weapons in Ukraine. It's about a megalomaniac wanting to create the Russian Empire by force of arms."
He did say what was in the title quote.
If I was being really generous, I'd say this is a nuanced statement saying that Hitler could have been stopped in a hundred different ways before it ever got to that point. I'm not inclined to be generous to Lindsay Graham, however. Part of that is because people who were Graham's political ancestors in Germany--people like von Hindenburg, or Georg Neithardt, the judge in the Beer Hall Putsch trial--are the one's at the top of the list of people who could have stopped it much sooner.
In context it's clear that he is saying we should have acted sooner and it was a failure for not having done so. The title makes it sound like he is claiming dday itself was a failure, rather than it being the result of a failure. It's garbage and reporting and should be treated as such.
I’m not inclined to be generous to Lindsay Graham, however
You're outright admitting that you aren't being objective.
He did say what was in the title quote.
Who was it who said "He's truly lost his mind," the quote that appears at the start of the title, which some might describe as, "the title quote?" Was it, perhaps, an Internet user identified in the article only as "SnarkyPanda," who some might describe as, "a random internet person?"
If I was being really generous
That's not "being really generous," it's the obvious interpretation and the only coherent one. How do you interpret it, exactly? That he thinks fighting Hitler was bad because he thinks Hitler was good? How on earth does that make any sense whatsoever with the overall point he was making?
It's clickbait soundbite outrage porn for people who either can't read or have no interest in reading. It's no different from what you'd find in a celebrity tabloid, just for a different audience.