Talking Point: Would You Watch A New Stargate Show? » GateWorld
Talking Point: Would You Watch A New Stargate Show? » GateWorld
What will a new Stargate TV series need in order to bring back the existing fan base? We want to hear your views!
Probably, Yes.
But maybe not if it's a weird prequel retcon action dramedy featuring Jack O'Neil, age 20, going undercover in Goa'uld high school to try and locate the evil fiends behind a counterfeit jeans smuggling ring, falling in love with 18 year old student Sam Carter, who sees through his macho act and urges him to try and see the good in every Goa'uld, even the Captain of the Football Team, Lants McDonaldson, the awkward son of Apophis who just wants to settle down with a human of each gender on a country farm, raising llamas.
I would shame watch that
This makes me want to point out that it is SG-1 canon that a clone of Jack O'Neil in the body of a teenager actually went back to high school, pretty much specifically to hit on teenage girls.
I feel like you're referencing a specific show, but if not, what you described actually sounds kinda rad.
Depends. If it's like SG-1 and Atlantis I'm 100% on board. If it's more in line with SGU... it's more like 60% on board. I felt like SGU could have been way better, but several story plots got rushed and abandoned and certain plot points got pushed hard that were really... uninteresting IMO. But the show overall kind of... made the mistake when they introduced a lot of space ships and sort started losing it's identity. Like the stargates were just faster to get around in but no longer needed for most things.
I've had an idea in my head for a while, like some new scientist who's been working off of Carter and McKay's work has made a discovery that the gate goes to a lot more gates than they thought. Re-makes the DHD Carter made with the new research and better tech creating a "Master Gate" or "Master DHD" (basically a gate that has the training wheels removed, IE Ancient 'Admin' access mode) and the gate now travels to a whole separate gate systems that no one new about before. Leading to meeting up with certain species that were only seen like once like Oannes, to find that Nem wasn't the lone survivor of the species but was stuck and was the last survivor of the expedition. A true Nox home world (suggesting the planet we see them on was just a settlement/outpost/etc) and even the much anticipated Furlings can be found.
I'd be okay with picking up SGU where it left off, using the cryosleep break as an opportunity to recast and retool as needed. I think the show's first season was weak but it was really picking up and getting interesting in the second season. I can think of a bunch of interesting directions things could go from there.
Of course, everything is predicated on "is the writing good?" If you have good writing you can make something awesome out of almost any premise. And if it's bad event the best premise won't save you. It's even worse when it's bad writing on a good premise because it "ruins" it for future attempts.
The problem with Universe is that they were trying for the Battlestar Galactica audience, thereby alienating a bunch of the SG/SG1/SGA audience.
With a liberal sprinkling of the Degrassi audience.
Oh, man, the opportunity to explore what humanity must do or show in order to be allowed to continue participating in a "higher level" of inter-galactic society that this opens up! I guess that'd be my hypothetical "make it or break it" issue if such a show was made: do they explore this issue, and how well do they tell this part of the story?
Would this new show have competent writers?
It'll have the best AI that a lazy half assed effort of an intern on a weekend can find.
Just give us a continuation of the core SG-1 timeliness, whoever is working at stargate command now. As long as the writing is good. A reboot or recast would be the worst, laziest thing that could happen.
This is the show I would watch. Stargate: the next generation.
I think we had that, it was called SG-1 seasons 9 and 10. John Chrichton and Aeryn Sun vs the turbocatholics.
Surely Lorne is running the SGC by now according to Mackays hologram when Shepard got flung into the far future.
I'm in the middle of a rewatch at the moment and I can't quite remember how it all ends 😂 I'm on season 9 of SG1 and season 2 of Atlantis
Consider that there was an alternate timeline already with the mirror object. How many realities could there be where Earth was brutally destroyed, never found the Stargate, or was visited by another species before finding the gate. One franchise people often forget about is Fringe. It explored many of these concepts in an interesting way.
I will watch a new Stargate show no matter what.
I will watch a new Stargate show no matter what.
Finger on the Monkey's Paw curls
Justin Roiland and Seth MacFarlane team up to bring you It's a Goa'uldiful World, a sitcom about the wacky life of Apophis. The trailer shows us prank calls from Thor, sex scenes with Sha're, and flashbacks of Braytac and Teal'c making fart jokes
Sliders
Heck yeah! Sliders is also a great series
So, like... I never really watched SG-1 or Atlantis back when they were new. The movie also was kinda meh. What actually got me into the franchise was Universe.
I totally didn't understand why nobody liked it until I started watching SG-1. Well shit. This is goofy as fuck and just an all around good time. Universe was good, but also slow and very serious. I would love for them to explore that story, but in the goofy, campy way SG-1 and Atlantis were over the dark, brooding, super cereal tone Universe actually had.
(Psst, it's serial... unless you meant it was a grain, in which case ignore me)
It's actually cereous.. unless that's a cloud, in which case fuck the English language.
Or surreal maybe? That would make more sense given the context...
Stargate SG-2
Stargate The Lower Decks
This is the one. SG-1 was by far the best series, so I’m fine with doing it again from the perspective of a different team. Aside from basic mechanics, it really doesn’t have to have anything in common with SG-1 - the galaxy is big and there are many possible gate combinations. However the key was following a team that just seemed perfect together
If its 1/2 as good as star trek lower decks, im 100% in
Side question: SG-2 was Kawalski's command in the pilot episode, and then I don't recall ever hearing that number used again. Did they retire the number from the sport?
No I don't think I ultimately would, for a bunch of reasons.
I've said it before in this community, the 2 decades of "gritty realistic" heartburn drama ushered in by Battlestar Galactica cured my love of television. I don't currently subscribe to any streaming service and as they get more numerous, more expensive and worse I don't think I'm going to pick the habit back up.
I think I'm developing a contact allergy to resurrected IPs. Upon reading this I don't think "Oh boy a chance for more of my favorite adventures" I think "oh brother, some business suit with a neckhole infection has detected an IP they aren't monetizing hard enough." The most recent TV show to catch my eye was The Good Place, which is an original property. It was made because someone had an idea. "Do you think you'd watch a new Stargate show" sounds to me like "would you buy the industrial slop we're going to churn out anyway if we dye it the color of a thing you liked 20 years ago?" The one thing no one has there is an idea.
It's also just one of those shows where I don't know what you'd do with the setting. Star Wars and Star Trek, those settings are open enough to where you could go 90 lightyears to the right and still find cool stories. Shows like Stargate, Farscape and Babylon 5 are so character-centric that I don't know if I want to watch just another show made in that setting. Like, you could make me a Star Trek show that doesn't have the Federation in it. Set it on a Romulan warbird or something, it would work. There have been numerous works set in the Star Wars universe that didn't have to do with the Jedi or Rebels or Empire or whatever. What would you make out of the Farscape universe without Moya and the gang?
No, let it rest on what it achieved.
All other points aside, "the show is too character-centric and a spin-off could never work" is what a bunch of trekkies said when TNG was announced. No Trek without Kirk, Spock, and McCoy had any hope of being a good show.
Then TNG came out and it was fine.
For that matter, Atlantis worked just fine for me, as well. Universe didn't but that's mainly because it had focus issues and a weird tone. There is potential for a good new Stargate.
The question is, of course, what they'd do with it. The new Trek era has been pretty hit-or-miss and it's hard to say whether we'd get the Stargate equivalent of Picard or Strange New Worlds.
If it's another badly lit attempt at making a show out of nothing but curse words and scowls I'd pass. But if it's another fun, witty ensemble show that knows when to take itself seriously and when not to – yes, please.
See I knew someone was going to bring up TNG, that the original show was really Kirk-Spock-McCoy character centric and that was a big criticism aimed at TNG at first. And "Then TNG came out and it was fine" No it wasn't, the first two seasons are pretty rough, the show really found its footing in the third season.
I think trying to create a new Stargate show would be like trying to create a new show in the Hercules/Xena universe. Because they have basically the same problem: They ran out of ancient gods to kill before the series finale. I think they've already kinda proven they milked SG-1's setting dry because both spinoffs went "Meanwhile in another galaxy, something almost completely unrelated is happening."
Agreed. At this point seeing news of a new stargate show would instantly make me ask "what will they fuck up with this one?". I'd rather not see it replicated (heh) in nowadays' world of marvelized franchises and even continuing it would be meh, seeing as the scope and the stakes grew way too high even in the original shows. Basically I feel the show was a product of its time and taking it out would screw it up. Also streaming services should stop remaking every single IP and just come up with new original shows already.
I'm very divided. Ask me a couple of years ago and I'd be all over that. But since then every single one of the great old sci-fi franchises I loved have been methodically ruined by "remakes" and "sequels" and "retellings" and whatnot. So while I wouldn't say no, I would be extremely trepidatious. I'd be bracing myself to reject it if it turns out to be stupid.
If they learned all the right lessons from the Stargate Origins debacle.
I’d definitely give it a try! The concept is strong enough to be that I’d even consider a full reboot, although my dream is another soft reboot where the canon is left intact and we just follow a new set of main characters, and our old favourites might pop up occasionally. Having seen Amazon do great stuff with the tail end of The Expanse I think they have the chops to make it work.
tail end of The Expanse
What? They actually finished it?!
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Oh. Season 6. That leaves out an entire 1/3 of the story from the books :(
I'd love to watch the show, but I can't bear the thought of the story being that unfinished in the TV adaptation :(
FINISH. STARGATE. UNIVERSE.
It amazes me that Amazon (who owns MGM) has sat on this potentially lucrative franchise.
I would give it a few episodes to see if it's worth sticking around for.
FYI putting it on MGM + is a sure fire way of not getting me watch.
I'm not subscribing to a service just to watch 1 or 2 shows.
YES! I'd love if there made a series based on the ancients before and during the Atlantis
Absolutely
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.
YES.
Yes
I'd watch an episode or two to see if it is good at the very least because Stargate is one of my favorite TV series.
They already did, it's called Stargate Generations.
Yes if they don't DEI it up like most shows these days.
Incidental characters, new characters here and there, fine. A storyline where it makes sense, maybe.
Half the crew? Um..no. Make one of the original characters go gay/trans for b.s. reasons, um..no
Just focus on the story. Give us a GOOD story.
lol, fuck off. Strange New worlds has a diverse cast and is a wonderful show. Lower decks, same thing. It’s totally doable. If you’re referring to something a la Discovery, the issue is poor writing for a typical Star Trek show, not that it has a diverse cast. Stop being a snowflake and watch some reruns if you can’t handle where society is going. “Can you believe I was made to look at a black person, an Asian, a GAY, AND a woman in a position of authority? It’s enough to give me the vapors!!”
I think more to the other person point is it being needlessly prioritised, seemingly at the expense of quality writing/characters.
Disco is a pretty choice example. The main character is frankly unbearable. Super unlikeable, overly emotional (despite being Vulcan) and frequently fucks up because she won’t listen or acts out of emotion. She is pointlessly insubordinate in an attempt to write her as strong but it inadvertently makes her incompetent and entitled. Everyone seems to cry, a lot, in the later season. The gay couple felt cheap and even unhealthy at some point, I think in the ep where one of them nearly dies, but unfortunately I can’t remember why. Didn’t really feel like ST just a show wearing its uniform.
Hey at least it was super diverse though. Although as you point out, it is largely the writing that boned disco. Just feels like these shows prioritise being as diverse as possible and then jump to racism the second people notice or criticise the shows for it or unrelated elements.
The real issue with Discovery is that they fridged Michelle Yeoh so they could make Burnham the main character, a character they went to great lengths to show us is a violently xenophobic mutineer, and yet who is still somehow more open minded than nearly everyone else on Discovery.
Star Trek is supposed to be woke and Discovery wasn't. Having a black main character doesn't make a show woke, actually promoting social progress makes a show woke.