Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

My "nExT gEn" update experience:
Get baited to re-play Fallout 4 through the new TV show + Next Gen update
Be disappointed since the graphics aged like milk + Official HD texture DLC sucks
Be disappointed since the update broke nearly all mod support
Roll back to the release before the Next Gen update + Uninstall the Official HD texture DLC
Install 205 mods, and happily play with nearly everything in 4K
FYI, most mods I installed are from:
The Midnight Ride:
https://themidnightride.moddinglinked.com/
ESO-UI High End:
https://eso-ui.com/fallout4-high-end/
- Be disappointed since the graphics aged like milk
  That's kinda spoiled, lol
  
  People have complained about FO4’s graphics since release. I always thought it was a good looking game. Coming back after the next-gen update I still think it looks good.
  
  Brother the company is owned by Microsoft now. You can complain about their product in any way you want. Its sold under Microsoft, you can complain. Again, Microsoft
- How did you roll back to before the game was updated?
- Yeah, but you'll get a few hours in and uninstall because you stop playing.
  
  Currently at 30ish hours and still enjoying it.
  Reminded me that Bethesda does release some great / huge games.
  Albeit quite bugged at release,
  but since they (usually) embrace the modding scene, lots of this can be / has been patched and even improved by the community.
  The Next Gen update is a stupid cash-grab though, and imo should have never happened..
  An official modpack would have been much better.
- No offense but this is totally 🤡 meme. You just walked deeper and deeper into bullshit and convinced yourself to keep stepping the whole way

Skyrim Fans:
- Console skyrim mod enjoyers are weeping having to re-download 75 mods because Todd liked the word Creations more.
  
  Or weeping because mod creators pulled their mods in protest :(
- lol perfect.

The updates will continue until morale improves.

Reason #150 on why Fallout New Vegas is the best Fallout:
Bethesda despises it so much that it'll never get an update, remaster, or get repacked into an anniversary edition.
No Todds, No Masters
- Given that it was made by a different company, doing anything with it may actually be legally complicated.
  
  Isn't Obsidian also owned by Microsoft? Pretty sure it's just a matter of Satya Nadella giving the greenlight
  
  Yet Bethesda are/were the publishers when it released and Beth owned the fallout IP then and continues to own the IP.
  
  based obsidian dying to save new vegas, modern day jesus christ
  
  Different company but the same dev tools and game engine.
- Such a weird narrative that Bethesda hates New Vegas. Fallout 3 also doesn't have a remaster or anniversary edition.
  With Bethesda's blessing, season two of the show likely revolves around New Vegas.
  
  Personal conspiracy theory time:
  The only reason they are going to New Vegas for season 2, is to lay down a whole bunch of Bethesda-fied revisionist history about the whole Nevada area.
  They would want to torch the playing field, and make creating a New Vegas 2 that is worth a damn impossible, in anticipation of the possibility Microsoft might put Obsidian on Fallout too, after Outer Worlds 2.
  After the studio closures Microsoft just did? Todd is probably, and absolutely justifiably, scared shitless with Obsidian and MGM Amazon's 'friendly' competition.

They actually made the load time worse with their update. Not by a little, by a fucking tonne. Going from any interior to outside now takes like a full minute and 30 seconds, its ridiculous.
- It took that time before the update for me as well. 1-2 minutes for every loading screen. There was a mod for that (before the next-gen update) that you could not load via nexus, bc the setup was a little more conplex, but it worked really well (see https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/10283 )
  The method of this mod was to speed up the fps only while in the loading screen to 300-350 bc the loading times were somehow tied to the fps. Well done Bethesda.
  
  Console "tweaks"
  
  It seemed a lot faster for me prior to this latest update, but they were never superb. Here's hoping either the mods can be fixed or bethesda can get their shit together.
- Alt-tab until you hear the music stop and it will load quicker.
  
  That is the hackiest workaround I've ever heard lol but I will give it a shot, thanks.
- Hah, those are the load times I used to get on my Xbox One with its dinky HDD. At the very least, The Midnight Ride has been updated to post next-gen, and I now get really small loading times (<5 sec) on my SSD. The game feels less rough around the edges, too. Only took 3 hours to set up :,)
  
  I dunno, I'm looking for more like 8+ hours of modding troubleshooting to really get into it.
- That's the classic Bethesda experience.
- Super strange because on PS5 the load times are extremely fast since the patch. indoor / outdoor transitions are never longer than 4 or 5 seconds, and quick travel maybe 6 or so
  
  That is strange for sure.

This is starting to feel like their way of blocking Fallout London from releasing indefinitely.
- bethesda has historically hated mods and the people who make them. its why their games have such a small modding scene
  
  Well the updates to Skyrim, Fallout and lack of modding tools for Starfield seems to indicate that it is now a reality. I seriously cannot fathom why they would sabotage themselves like that. It's absolutely obvious since at least Oblivion that mods are lifeline and reason for success of Bethesda rpg games yet here we are.
  
  They've certainly gotten more hostile to mods since the M$ acquisition. At least mods that don't want to play ball with the creation club nonsense.
  
  ~~I seriously doubt that. Bethesda's titles are generally some of the most moddable mainstream titles.~~ I missed sarcasm.

let me guess, they still did not learn to add a beta branch for the old version after all the shit with skyrim mods and anniversary edition
- I am so glad that Irongate is being much smarter with Valheim. You can opt into the beta and also choose older versions of the game to downgrade to, all within Steam. Very helpful for an early-access game with tons of mods and sporadic updates.
- I actually downgraded from Skyrim SE to oldrim in November. I started playing modded after a hiatus after the first big update whatever that was
  Everything a little harder to deal with but at least I don’t have to worry about it updating
  Rip in peace my mod list: from whenever I started to December
  
  I don't understand why people put up with this with a freaking game. I will never pay money to companies that do this stuff. There are literally tens of thousands of games available right now that are perfectly enjoyable.

Yeah I know, the show came out and everyone is hyped because of that. But maybe put those resources into fixing shit in Starfield?
- Starfield was so forgettable even Bethesda already forgot about it.
  
  And you know what? That would be fine.
  If they market it as a side experiment, a AA game, priced at $40.
  But no, they marketed it as Star Citizen 2.
- Starfield can't be fixed. The game's issues are rooted in its core - procedurally generated maps, zero-consequence writing, forgettable gunplay. They could fix stuff like base building, giving it an actual purpose, for example. But in order to make exploration and role playing interesting/fun they'd have to effective make a whole new game.
  
  I'm still optimistic. No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, and Fallout 76 took their heaping trash and glued things until it became fun. And Starfield has a lot of really good working pieces that can be salvaged.
  But you might also be right. I can't imagine Bethesda fixing quests or narrative elements.
- Don't you know Bethesda? They won't even fix bugs that are thoroughly documented by the community and take 5 minutes to fix. They're not going to fix a game that is missing entire features.

Leave Bethsoft alone guys. They're all out of fun game ideas and need something to do.
- They’re all out of fun game ideas and need something to do.
  They could try fixing something for a change

Todd Howard: we hear you fans, we are currently working on updates for Morrowind, Starfield and Elder Scrolls Online which will break add-on/mod support and ruin the frame rate for those games instead of just FO4!
- Elder Scrolls Online isn't a Bethesda (BGS) game.
- I'd be thrilled to get another Morrowind expansion.
  
  Too bad, you get a battlepass instead!
  
  Are you familiar with Tamriel Rebuilt? The team has been adding content to the mainland of Morrowind for 20 years. They're technically not finished, but there's plenty to do.
  There's also Project: Tamriel with Skyrim: Home of the Nords and Province: Cyrodiil. There's not as much content as Tamriel Rebuilt, but all are being actively worked on.

Shouldn't they just beg Bethesda to incorporate the script extenders directly into the new releases or the script extender devs to update?
- I'm far from an expert with mod development, but this seems like the best way out of the mess they've put themselves in. I think modders would come in droves if they made it really easy

I play vanilla. As long as the updates stop my constant crashes on Linux, update away.
- I play vanilla
  constant crashes
  Yeah that sounds right.

Still haven't updated to the new update. You just have to swap an app manifest file, takes 5 seconds.
I'm not sure why people with modded setups updated, I guess they had yet to learn that lesson.
- So current fallout 4 install is fine and safe?
  
  The one before the 'next gen' update.

So, they're giving it the Skyrim treatment. I think it's received about 10 version updates since AE launched like 2 years ago. I ended up downloading a modlist that was 1.5.97 (the original version of Skyrim SE) and ended up sticking with it since it's future proofed.
- 1.6 mods are also stable now, but of course Bethesda shits out the patches every now and then so you need to downgrade anyway, just to 1.6.
  
  They definitely are, I have been using 1.6 for a while, it's just a pain in the ass to keep updating SKSE mods or those mods that support 1.6 but only older versions because the authors don't make mods anymore.

The most thriving mod communities are ones for games that have essentially been abandoned by their publisher. Bethesda is infamous for trying to integrate with its modding scene and personally I don’t care for it.

Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard. All companies I no longer spend my money on.

I mean, I get it, I do, I love modding... But can't they just not upgrade or even downpatch?
- It’s not that they can’t, it’s that people are getting blindsided by updates to a game which supposedly hasn’t received updates for over half a decade, and downgrading on Steam is a surprisingly huge PITA. The Midnight Ride recommends patching, fwiw.
  
  How can you even downgrade on steam?
  
  I thought TMR was getting discontinued over this?
  
  Why are they accepting automatic updates???
- They can. The issue is it'd eventually split the community. Mods that no longer have support will be lost, and the ones that do will either decide it isn't worth updating each time or have to put up two versions. It also creates needless new work for people, especially the F4SE devs.
  
  Just look at the current state of Skyrim modding.
  Aside from some still holding to LE. There are the 1.5.97 SE users and the 1.6+ AE users. And there have been at least one or two more updates in the 1.6 line that also caused more issues and require their own dedicated builds of various mods.
  Its fucked
  
  Damn shame. I hope they don't touch my baby NV.

ITT: techbros white-knighting for M$FT and BGS so hard that I genuinely believe their fathers might be Xbox Ones
- How dare you complain about the Treat Providers?!

The updates will continue until the free modications stop getting updated.

You have one story, thats it. They can update that game til PS7 is a thing and you will have 1 story. I love the game but the replay value is minimal, at best

In this entire article, not even a single attempt to quantity the number of complaints.
This sounds to me like an extremely small minority. It appears as though Fallout 4 has sold over 25 million copies, and there's.... Maybe a couple dozen people on the Internet complaining?

I see the FPS still maxed at 80 through DP connection and the Fallout 4 Script Extender no longer works. The XDI and Be Exceptional mods have
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No, they're not.