What's with all the carnists in the comments holy fuck go away.
"climbed to the top of the food chain." dude, you didn't climb anywhere. If we would drop you in the middle of Siberia with 50km to the next road, you would be dead in about 5 days and eaten by something.
Also, the stairs in front of their local McDonald's don't count.
Holy shit this is good.
A woman I knew vaguely that I had on Facebook for a minute told me that I when I went vegan was still practicing animal cruelty because sometimes field nice get hurt in farm machinery. Then she talked about humanely treated meat and then blocked me. It was pretty ridiculous.
These are all excellent examples.
I'll add one that hopefully is not as bad as those:
Being vegan is hard. I am not sure I'm up to the task
Nah, I wouldn't add that one. That's actually honest. It's hard to change and probably the thing that actually keeps most people from going vegan.
It's actually not hard to change. It's hard to be vegan -- and you can't make it stop. Carnists are carnists because it provides them with psychological defense mechanism against the intolerable pain and suffering we witness every day. They are able to pretend it just doesn't exist, they don't experience it at all. Meanwhile vegans are forced to experience it every time we turn on the TV, go to the store, visit a friend. It's actually very easy to become vegan, you just have to have one goddamn moment of honesty, clarity and empathy. After that, it gets hard, but you're stuck with it.
People who post carnist denialism, apologia, or trolling to !veganism@lemmy.ca get banned. Hell, I'm going to ban a bunch of the bad posters from !vegan@lemmy.ml just to get a head start.
Preaches to you about how preachy vegans are
While definitely not a valid reason to dismiss veganism, in my experience, I can understand why that stereotype exists. Still, it’s just a stereotype, and omnivores need to remain open minded and acknowledge it as such.
"Vegans are preachy" isn't an argument. It's a dodge to avoid talking about the real issues. When people were protesting the Yulin Dog Meat Festival, nobody was saying "These anti-dog-meat-eaters are too preachy! Maybe if they were more polite, they would change more minds."
Yup. It’s not an argument. It’s an attempt to derail the conversation, and/or make the vegan angry so they can say “ah ha! I knew you were irrational!” and then walk away feeling superior.
Why are we suddenly calling poeple omnivore/carnivore/herbivores? Why not just: Vegan Average Person Dad at the barbecue
I'm glad I'm not that kind of omnivore.
I'll just straight up say I love the way meat tastes.
Also, arguments about what people eat and why almost never come up.
Why do you like hurting animals? Are you a psychopath?
Raised meat animals and hunted for roughly half my life. Coming from that background, I absolutely do not like to see animals suffer. Quick and clean kills. Minimal pain.
Raised poultry for both meat and eggs. When the broilers were ready for slaughter, it was a quick chop of an axe and done.
I've shot several deer over the years. Most dropped dead right on the spot. Only one had to be shot a second time, and it sucked to do. But also overpopulation/starving/eaten alive is objectively worse.
All that said, I fucking LOATHE the modern meat industry. I try and get my meat and eggs from local co-ops or people I know. Locally raised and not in cramped sheds. The butcher is smaller and not just a streamlined kill chute. I try to avoid the big corporate food market when I can.
All that said, it's difficult to explain how I see an animal as food. I know it's a living, breathing thing, but also, it's being raised for food. That's its purpose. I love meat, the way it tastes, and will continue to eat it for the rest of my life.
I'm not trying to convince you anything, just explaining my point of view.
Do I like hurting animals? No.
Am I a psychopath? Don't know. Never been examined.
Unfortunately, it usually comes up if I order a veg option then some friend of a friend proceeds to interrogate me.
They need to grow up.
I might notice it and even ask if they are vegetarian or vegan. Mostly just because if I'm gonna hang around that person again, I can have that information tucked away for future use.
Inevitably, my answer is just "cool" and move on. Eat what you want, dude.
