New language

back in my day we only had one language. it was called ASSEMBLY. wanted to make the computer do something? you had to ask it yourself. and that worked JUST FINE

My favorite is “Java is slow” said by someone advocating for a language that’s at least 10 times slower.

Write your business critical process in brainfuck and have job security for life.

One project I worked on had 10 different languages. That was rough. But even your basic full stack web application is usually 5 languages: SQL, a backend language, HTML, CSS and JS. Usually some wheel reinventing frameworks thrown in for good measure. 5 languages is light these days.

Java is great if you actually want to earn a living.

Skip step 3, and just switch to Kotlin. Worked wonders for Android

And one of them is Java?

Java is a great language. But programming languages are tools - not every tool is the right tool for every job

Seems reasonable to me. A scripting language, a compiled language, SQL, some CI/CD DSL, and a dealer's choice.

Java isn't bad but, I'm not a fan of how verbose and convoluted it is. That said, I'll take Java over here JS any day of the week.

I'm failing to see the problem. As long as one of the languages isn't PHP they're still probably better off 🤷

Just use Kotlin

we should use only the best language for everything.

The python code we inherited had some performance issues. One of the guys was like "we should rewrite this in Java".

Luckily the boss was not an insane person and shut that down. The issue was an entirely stupid "...and then we do one query per project" behavior that worked fine when the company was small but unsurprisingly started to suck as users created more projects.

Instead of a months long complete rewrite, we had a two hour "let's add profiling... Oh wow that's a lot of queries" session.

This is super easy, you just fire all the Java devs and hire real engineers.

I would say that over a decade of my career was coming in as a freelancer to fix codebases where a couple of people tought they knew better than the previous ones and proceeded to add yet another very different block to a codebase already spaghetiffied by a couple such people.

Sometimes it was coding style, sometimes it was software design, sometimes it was even a different language.

I reckon thinking that just deploying one's EliteZ skills on top of an existing code base without actually refactoring the whole thing will make it better is a phase we all go through when we're still puppy-coders.

Java is great, the way its (ab)used is terrible.

I like typescript:)

Obligatory XKCD:

https://xkcd.com/927/

The XKCD Standards comic writ large. There are 17 competing standards. -> "Hey, we should make a standard to unite all these disparate standards." -> There are now 18 competing standards.

How to go from only being able to compile the project on a Windows machine (due to obscure dependencies that every other Java project has for some reason) to not being able to compile on anyone's machine at all in just 1 simple step.

Why is there always such a concerted effort to destroy the reputation of Java? It just seems so unnecessarily obsessive, and a lot of times wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I know that with time comes change, and Humanity improves on everything, including programming languages.

But at this point it seems like people want to hose Java down with holy water. It's excessive.