Wisconsin judge sides with 11-year-old trans girl over her right to use school toilets

Who was making the decisions when I was a teenager that didn’t know transgender men existed, but I was still making plans to get a mastectomy and hysterectomy due to dysphoria when I was an adult?

Essentially from the time I grew breasts and started having periods I was determined to do it, even though I didn’t have the words to explain why I wanted it and everyone I told reacted with bafflement. My parents and community were southern baptist, there aren’t many less trans supportive environments in the US. Surely if trans kids are all groomed into it I shouldn’t have been able to come up with this on my own, right?

There's another saying: if you spout transphobic bullshit, you may be a redneck.

(With apologies to redneck allies)

Conservatives are like vegan cats, fed the wrong shit so it's all they can regurgitate.

Are the meta users already bleeding into the fediverse? Go back to meta and enjoy your anti human echo chamber.

There's a saying about people like you. "you're an ignorant cunt".

my parents literally did not let me transition despite me begging them to. you're wrong lol.

also (full offence) only someone who's brain dead could possibly see a connection between those two things

Read the WPATH Standards of Care. Decisions are made by the child, with the support and approval of the parents and a team of medical and mental health professionals.

Not remotely compariable

Why the fuck did a mod remove my post? Are you guys so delicate you can't take the tiniest bit of disagreement?

This discomfort usually comes up if you expect a trans kid (most likely trans girl) to show their genitals (usually a dick) to you or your kids. That does not happen. This is what conservatives want you to think though when they ban trans kids (or even trans people of all ages) from using the toilet matching their gender.

This doesn't happen because most of the time trans people are not comfortable with their genitals anyway. But even if they are: They don't show their genitals because they want to take a dump in the toilet.

Besides: I find the confidence of conservatives truly remarkable that they think that a trans woman will go around and show them their dick. Conservatism is not sexy for us at all, nevermind sexy enough that we get naked on the spot.

You know what is sexy enough to make us undress on the spot? Consent! There's nothing more sexy than a consenting partner!

Also what dismalnow said.

It's about the discomfort of adults who don't want to think about things that are different than what they learned is "normal" when they were growing up.

11 year olds aren't generally the ones giving that many fucks. Remember that most boys have only just entered puberty by that age, literally no one reasonable is expecting the bag of hormones that is, say, a 16 year old.

I work with kids. They only give a fuck about shit like this if their parents make a huge deal about it. Trust me, they do not fucking care otherwise.

I went to a club with only one, huge, unisex bathroom once. It was.. like any other bathroom. Seeing people of the opposite gender wasn't really a concern anyways.

Since it was a rather yuge bathroom for a yuge club, if there was any shenanigans going on there would've been plenty of witnesses to call it out.

There was even one guy who went piss at a urinal, and started to leave without washing his hands. All the other guys started shouting at the guy to was his hands lol.

To be fair, there is safety in numbers and consequently I also see a benefit to combining them. I'm a dude, and I would rather walk down a busy pedestrian mall than a sketchy half-empty street or an urban trail on a moonless night.

Same thing with bathrooms. I imagine women feel better in a bathroom where other women and other people are present and aware, vs a nearly empty bathroom where a creep could walk in and isolate them at any moment. I've been to places with large unisex bathrooms (hot springs, spas, etc.) and there's enough people in there that no one is gonna try anything stupid/inappropriate without being immediately noticed. Bathroom troublemakers are a small subset of the universally large group of people who have to use the restroom anyway.

I only support gender-segregated bathrooms because I don't want a bunch of chicks clogging up the mensroom with their slow pissing/shitting/bloody paper towels on the floor. :D I am unreasonable and self-centered, but anyone who has ever been to a concert knows which line is longer.

Now the problem with that would be that then people would only use the pissing bathroom, because who would want to poop with other people? I sure wouldn't.

I was at a concert at Red Rocks Amphitheatre and they had gender neutral single stall bathrooms with a shared sink area. It was great. Sure, there was a line, but there was going to be one anyway. However, it ensured 100% utilization, when potentially one side would have less than 100% usage when the other has a line. It's ideal for places with large crowds.

(The stalls were also well built basically single rooms, not the shitty American stalls with gaps in them.)

It works perfectly, it's just more expensive to construct. In some Nordic countries there are very few places with bathroom stalls, they either have lots of single-use bathrooms or completely walled-in rooms (wall from ground to roof, regular door) with a toilet and then sinks outside to wash your hands. Works in shopping malls, airports, schools (from small elementary schools to huge high-schools, I've never seen one with stalls). The only exceptions I can think of that have stalls are amusement parks, some sport arenas and (ironically) IKEA.

Because it's not cost effective

That's exactly the point. The judge sided with the 11 year old girl so she wouldn't be forced to use the boys bathroom with your son.

This is some good Accidental Ally material.

I see what you did there.

What is the issue you have with it, really? You think that people are going to go into the bathroom and do something nefarious?

Before asking us why we think it's okay, let's really drill down into what you're so worried about.

Yeah you're right, being trans isn't even a thing, it's all just perverted teenage boys who want to... Hear girls pee, I guess?

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? If you find sexual gratification being in the same room where members of the opposite gender take a shit in a closed stall, you go ahead and be as pervy as you fucking want with it, but stop projecting your weird scat fetish on everyone else and just let people go to the god damn bathroom.

Well if they aren’t a boy then it wouldn’t matter and I would be fine with my daughter sharing a locker room/bathroom. I’m more worried about her being shot and killed than someone who is trans in the bathroom with her.

People don’t just wake up one day and go “I’m a girl! Hyuk! I’m going to go be a girl just to get in the bathroom! Hyuk!”

People don’t do that, especially trans people. Get your head out of your ass.

Guess your parents never read classics to you like: Everyone Poops. Or the wonderful sequel: Everyone Farts.

We're just people and socializing these potty hangups is pretty childish.

When that happens we can talk about why it happened, and how it was handled. But it's simply not a thing that happens unless it's some anti-trans activist trying to prove a point!

/pol/ groomed you good didn't they?

Also there are babies that are born hermaphrodites and often the doctors just choose a gender, getting it wrong from the perspective of the child.

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I wish I were on puberty blockers. I'm not trans btw

Bigots are incapable of thinking this way. They only see LGBT+ people as "the other" and themselves as "normal", so they never realize that they themselves at one point figured out their own identity (including both gender and sexuality). They think it's only LGBT+ folks having to figure those things out.

It's bizarre, especially since society does push cisgendered and heterosexual norms at a very early age. Young boys will get asked if they like any girls and they'll constantly be pushed with gender roles and stereotypes for their birth gender. It's so normalized that most folks don't even seem to realize that it happens until confronted with the existence of any alternative (like LGBT+ folks). A reasonable person would examine their biases and realize stuff like "huh, I guess I knew my gender from a young age", but bigots have this irrational hatred for LGBT+ people so they're not willing or capable of this kind of insight. Their brain has to twist logic into justifying the bigotry that they've already concluded on.

How do you know that to be true?

Why don't you just let people raise their own children, and you can raise yours?

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