Liking an OS isn't a personality trait ❌

Liking an OS isn’t a personality trait, but evangelizing for Free and Open Source Software which generally has no budget for advertising is a noble cause.
- Except when it's every other comment. That's just obsession.
  
  Is it the same Person every time though?
  I mean if you come into a community which has a leaning it is just a natural consequence to get confronted with that leaning more then somewhere else, isn't it?
  Like going into a Bible circle and saying that every other comment is about god which borders on obsession. I mean yes maybe but it is not surprising.
- Maybe the good people on Lemmy are already quite familiar with Free and Open Source Software though ...
  
  I mean… you choose to read posts and comments here. You can choose to stop reading comments about Linux.
  
  Yes, yes we are. Most of us love Linux, but we're not in love with Linux...
  I really hope the fanboys can understand. We just... We don't see it the way you do. Sorry.
- Bro we get it

- "Linux-based? Like Android?"
  "WE DO NOT SPEAK THE NAME OF THE IMPURE"
  
  Android can be great. It's Google that's the problem.
  
  Pretty sure it's Linux, based OS. Lol
- I'd have a beer with these fine upstanding young lads.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
- This is the correct answer, but you forgot to begin with "uhm actually" so i can't give you the point.
  
  I don't understand what you mean, i was just helping OP out, a lot of people make this mistake.
- Perfect answer
- They really should've called it LiGNUx to confuse everyone
- Hahaha nice

I saw a post last night of a dude lamenting how difficult installing Windows was and listed a bunch of problems I find absolutely absurd. You're telling me you know how to remedy driver issues in Linux, but can't figure out how to in modern Windows, which does it automatically?
There are plenty of things wrong with Windows that you don't need to make shit up.
- In my experience, windows always gets something wrong with drivers and I have to go do some stupid shit to fix it. And then later fight windows update as it tries to override my fix. Windows problems are rarely immediately apparent, whereas Linux problems usually are.
  
  Was your last experi nice with Windows with Vista or something? 7,8,10,11 have all been almost entirely work free for installing any hardware that isn't exotic or boutique stuff.
  I am not one of the people weighing in based on an arbitrary experience or a small sample set. I've installed Windows literally tens of thousands of computers. The only thing can think of in the last 10 years I needed to find a driver for is some USB barcode scanners that emulate serial devices, and the driver for an android phone to be able to flash the boot loader.
  Every device that a computer actually needs to run just work.
  
  I haven't had driver problems in forever, unless I'm using some old weird device that I haven't used in ages. And even then usually going into device manager and telling it what kind of device the unknown device is usually fixes it.
  
  I've never had this problem, and I've had... Oh man, a few dozen windows machines?
  What are you doing to them?
- You’re telling me you know how to remedy driver issues in Linux, but can’t figure out how to in modern Windows, which does it automatically?
  Honestly? Yes.
  Windows tries to do a bunch of shit automagickally, but when the process fails it's a nightmare to diagnose and manually fix. Linux is more rudimentary but also much more transparent. Once you know what you need to do, it's very easy to see where you went wrong.
- Let's just be clear that Windows is a king of newer hardware and Linux is a king of older one, if we strictly take a driver-bullshit-o-meter.
- It's not that Windows is easier. It's that you're more familiar with Windows.
  
  I've used Linux and Windows about equally. Windows is way less of a hassle. Unless you need a super specialized environment or are running a server, the hoops you need to go through on Linux to do a lot of otherwise simple things aren't worth it.

Did you know you could've made this meme on the FREE, OPEN-SOURCE image editor GIMP? Available now on Linux!
- (Also available on Windows)
  
  incoherent screeching
  
  (Also available on MacOS for Intel and Apple Silicon)
- I prefer Krita
- Used it for like 5 mins, hated it. I have Photoshop on a Windows VM now
  
  GIMP is pretty much the same as Photoshop for 99% of tasks.
- This, but unironically

Just admit that you are paid by Big Open Source and move on to your next sponsor Air Up

I will have you know my entire online persona on Lemmy is basically a 24/7 "Barbie" movie advertisement, thank you very much.
I use Arch BTW.
- You're my favorite one on Lemmy. Never change.
- I like McDonald's too

I wish people were as into FOSS as they are AI. I fucking hate LLMs.
- What, you don't like a handful of private mega-corps decimating the groundwater reserves of the upper Midwest so that some dorks can try and scam Amazon with fake books?
  
  I especially don't like how discourse can be poisoned and diluted by some chatbots in favor of military operations.
- The techbros who are into AI just want to own things without putting in the work. They want to sell you AI generated images as Art and puff up their SEO with LLM chatbots.
  FOSS is the opposite of that.
  
  I would say that around half of AI development is free and open source.
- I'm sorry to hear you're frustrated. As an AI, my job is to assist and provide you with the information or help you need. Please feel free to let me know how I can better assist you, and I'll do my best to address your concerns.
  
  (I may or may not have asked ChatGPT to write that.)
- About as infuriating: the sheer amount of braindead morons who think LLMs are somehow in any way "AI"
  
  Yet calling the simple rules that govern video game enemies AI is not controversial. Since when does AI have not to be fake to be called that?
- I like both. Where's the FOSS AI?
  
  Huggingface usually Mixtral recently released a pretty good model that's not very big
  
  Technically the technology is open to the public but regular people cannot afford to implement it.
  The thing that makes Large Language Models hardly functional is scaling up their databases and processing power of one of several of their small models with specialized tasks. One model creates output from input, another model checks it for accuracy/coherency, a third model polices it for things that are not allowed.
  So unless you've got a datacenter and three high powered servers with top-grade cooling systems and a military grade power supply, fat fucking chance.

*shrugs
The Personal is Political.
Especially in regards to Linux, which with many of the most vocal adherents doing so because they reject corporate control over their lives and want to see the rest of the world do so as well. It is very much a political issue to them, and so it's not surprising that you see it crop up just as much as politically oriented posts, because the Linux-posting is essentially the same thing. It's "politics" for the nerd-set. Same with piracy. Some people involved with these have deep anti-corporate and anti-capitalist philosophical roots for their reasons behind why they live like that, and they're often not afraid to "preach" it to others.
So yeah, shitposts sadly aren't going to stop it anytime soon.
- It’s “politics” for the nerd-set.
  Frankly, freedom of computation (basically, property rights as applied to electronics) is politics for everyone; it's just that normies don't understand how important it is.
- Not trying to stop anything, just wanna poke fun
  
  cannot open file fun
- It's also much more practical to use as a dev
  
  Also as a non dev.
- You know, it's kind of interesting, because I kind of wonder, and I'm sure someone could educate me to, the differences between philosophical outlooks that drive these different ideals.
  If you were like, a windows or mac purist, you'd maybe just be gunning for as much mass adoption as possible, meaning that you have as much interoperability, or, accessibility, as possible, and maybe you're just biting the bullet in terms of like, corporate shenanigans and control. Basically you'd just be like, admitting defeat, to some extent, it'd be a compromise ideology. It's sort of like the same ideology that pushes one big centralized set of servers for everything, compared to everyone running their own little instances. Sure, you're getting a lack of security, lack of flexibility, and thus, potentially, the functionality of the app ends up sucking depending on what you're doing, yadda yadda. But in return, you get mass adoption. This is kinda flip-flopped with like, Linux purism, right? And then the natural use cases and market adoption for it tends to just be the more niche uses, that demand such flexibility.
  So, which is more important for free access. Actual legal freedom, which even works itself into the structure of the app itself, right, or just, straight mercenary mass adoption, under any means necessary? I dunno.
  On one hand, within the current structure of the economy and political landscape, globally, it's kind of impossible to achieve mass adoption with Linux, and I think mass adoption of it is almost kind of antithetical to the anarchism of the project itself, as is mass adoption of most anarchist political projects. It's just kind of impossible to win in a head-to-head competition with larger corporations, or with more short-term gains focused ideologies.
  I'm still just running windows 10 LTSC with MAS, and it works fine for me, so that's obviously where my ideological line is kind of threaded, just having everybody have the best free version of windows, maybe with some sort of increased privacy modifications to cut down on telemetry and shit like that, but I kinda doubt people could actually do that without destroying the usability of the system like all of those tend to do, or else someone would've probably done it by now.

Hey the Linux community is active so they show up on All. Same thing with video game communities, it's a reflection of the interests of those who populate Lemmy. I don't care for either but we gotta start someplace. IMO it's largely due to the concept of the fediverse and instances and not simply an app you sign up to. FWIW, I barely get it. Folks here seem to be a tech savvy bunch
- I think it's mostly because the people who use linux are the people who are interested in free and open source software, which Lemmy also is.
- They accost posts en mass that have nothing to do with Linux CONSTANTLY. It's actually really, really obnoxious, and it's absolutely chasing people away from this platform.

What is an "online persona"? Stop trying to turn my tech support forum into Facebook!
- It's like a fursona but boring and for normies.
- The way you represent yourself online 😐
  
  Your persona is your personal "brand," your representation of yourself within The Spectacle.
  The spectacle is not a collection of images, but a social relation among people, mediated by images.
  -Guy Debord
  Debord was right on, but I doubt even he predicted us mediating our own images, becoming increasingly directly part of The Spectacle.
  Full Disclosure: My real name is not Snot Flickerman.
  Related: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/black-ops-how-hbgary-wrote-backdoors-and-rootkits-for-the-government/4/
  In June 2010, the government was expressing real interest in social networks. The Air Force issued a public request for "persona management software," which might sound boring until you realize that the government essentially wanted the ability to have one agent run multiple social media accounts at once.
  It wanted 50 software licenses, each of which could support 10 personas, "replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent."
  The software would allow these 50 cyberwarriors to peer at their monitors all day and manipulate these 10 accounts easily, all "without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries." The personas would appear to come from all over the world, the better to infiltrate jihadist websites and social networks, or perhaps to show up on Facebook groups and influence public opinion in pro-US directions.
  There's a whole slew of software aimed at creating numerous sockpuppet accounts that is called "Persona Management Software." It's certainly the word the US government uses to describe an online identity.

Sorry non sorry for trying to advertice ways to avoid ending up in a digital dystopia.
- Constantly trying to get programs to work correctly is my version of a digital dystopia.
  
  Do it yourself > Do all while watched
  
  Your downvotes say you hit a nerve with the Linux people even though they can't argue against your point without straight-up lying.
  
  Tell us which program is not working correctly for you and let's see who's the root cause of the problem.
  
  The problem wouldn't exist if more people used linux.
  
  Hmmm may have ur IQ checked
- Okay, buddy.

Disliking Linux memes is not a personality trait, OP!!!

Hey! Have you heard of this OS called Linux? It's like windows apart from that it's nothing like windows, it's free and never ever hard to use at all!
- The cursor is causing me mental anguish.
  
  Can't tell if GIF that's not moving or meme without text.
  
  Thanks, I hate it

I use Arch btw
- Oh my gosh, tell me more.
  ...just kidding.

So anyways, I run Arch on my main gaming computer, and Debian on my servers and laptops.
- Based and red pilled af

Hey...I also advocate for more solidarity within communities, growing your own food, using less plastic & cars, and Star Trek...Linux is just like 30% what I talk about.

This place in a nutshell 😄

Yes. And then, when you ask them 1 simple question they’re like "READ THE WIKI"
Dude/tte I don’t know anything about Linux. I’ve used the command line on my Mac 8~9 times and sometimes on windows and that’s it.
I really want to install Asahi (Arch) on my Mac as a VM before dual-booting but I’m failing for a week now and money‘s too tight atm to get even a cheap $50 laptop for testing.
- I'm pretty sure Asahi is not meant to run inside a VM.
  You could however install any distro that offers a Arm version, like Fedora for example
- I’ve used the command line on my Mac 8~9 times and sometimes on windows and that’s it.
  Then Arch probably shouldn't be your starting point. If you're really insistent, then you also need to be patient. You need to learn a lot, and will definitely need to read. It's like not knowing how to drive and wanting to drive an F1 car. There's knowledge and experience you need to have before getting behind the wheel, but if you're okay with crashing a lot then go for it.
  Where are you stuck on your install?
  
  Yeah and that's exactly what grinds my gears about the Linux crowd here. On one hand they're in every thread talking about how easy it is and how everyone should make the switch regardless of skill. That is until something goes wrong and the response is 'lol educate yourself'
  
  After I installed everything and installed a desktop environment it reboots back to the installation screen
- "Read the wiki" in response to questions is literally Arch's explicit community ethos. They used to plainly tell you at the forums that it would be the first response to any question that could be answered by the wiki. (They still may, I don't currently run Arch)
  Almost literally any other distro is a better choice if diving into the wiki isn't how you want to start things with Linux.
  This conversation can only happen by me being the person OP is mocking, BTW.
  
  dId YoU rEaD tHe WiKi? RtFm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  I agree that you should read the wiki first, but the wiki is a reference, not an answer to all your problems, most wiki entries are solutions that came from people on forums asking questions.
  Don't even get me started on clowns who will tell you to rtfm, then when a solution does come out, nobody documents it, AT ALL. Nothing but a bunch of gatekeeping freeloaders.
- I would recommend experimenting with one of the less engaged distros before you just dive into something like that, it will save you a lot of headache.
  
  As a Linux user whose first distro was Arch, I heartily endorse this advice. Arch is a terrible place to start.
- There's a few techy communities like that
  Given how screwy computer tech gets sometimes you'd think there'd be more empathy for "I tried what's in the damned wiki already I'm asking for help because it didn't work!"
  Shit sometimes it's not even written wrong, you just slipped and put an O instead of a 0 and the text editor's font doesn't distinguish them enough for someone who isn't specifically hunting for that to realize.
  Still the funniest 8 hour long setup to a punchline I've had on mine and a lab partner's heads though!
- Ahaha you should just wait ! Asahi is super hard to use apparently !
  
  It's not actually! I'm a semi-noob and manage to get it running like a charm on my M1 in like 30 minutes. It uses KDE so you can set it up to be like win or macos in a few clicks. I'm just waiting for a it to take full advantage of my powerfull GPU to make it my main os.
- This may or may not help, but maybe give this a look.
  https://distrosea.com/
  
  Using another person’s computer for three minutes to fiddle with start menu icons, with half the OS integration disabled, is very different from setting it up as your personal system with your own hardware.

I’m in this and I don’t like it. Reported.

What operating system defines you as a person?
- Great first date question!

Pretty much why I blocked c/technology from my feed. They could turn a post about a scientist studying crab migration into a debate about why the crabs aren't running fuckin Linux. Not everything has to be about an OS, you lot. They're basically Computer Mormons.
- Computer Mormon is my new favorite thing to say
- https://snapcraft.io/crab

Okay that is not going to stop me lol. 🤣
- Even our ads are unpaid and FOSS

I think they’re fun
Have you seen the programmer socks?
- i should buy some, currently my highest are only knee high :(

Jokes on you I spend my time hating on windows specifically

We are the Linux desktop advertising budget

Can you really advertise something that's free?
I think the right word is proselytize
- Of course you can. "Free kittens, call 202.555.1212"
- Yes, by definition it’s a advertisement.

- I mean, I wouldn't expect people on a fishing forum to spend all their time talking about how much hiking sucks.
  
  Mmm bad analogy, I think it would be more like comparing brands of fishing rods or other fishing supplies, in which case yes you would expect them to argue and talk about it.

This is such an emacs take

not knowing how to read a manual isn't a personality trait either linux haters
- Jesus, look at all the upvotes... What's wrong with you people? Can you really not help yourselves? Or is it just one or two narcissists with a ton of accounts?
  
  I expect that, like me, most of the upvoters see that as a joke/mockery of our stereotype... and no, obviously, we can't help but make the joke.
  
  What the fuck?
  I made a silly joke about how people making out like linux is hard to use are also annoying.

iusearchlinux.fyi is my federation
- I- U- Search Linux!

They're the vegans of the tech world.
- If you mean that they are morally superior, I agree

People view computers as a hobby

Alright. Maybe and os isn't. Good point.
OK boys, time to go back to waifus
Or God forbid .... sports 🤮🤮🤮🤮
- Oh my god. I didn't know the stakes...
  You all stay here as long as you need. Nobody likes Windows... Nobody likes it. Shhhh shhh shh. It's okay. Linux is the open source solution everyone needs, not just some niche communities. Everyone!

Shots fired.
- "We're Linux users, of course we sudo apt get double-chocolate-chunk"

thank you OP. ffs, open source. we get it. next.

To be fair I don't really like any os that is out there right now but I don't have an option that I would really like. I have a Mac as my work laptop my pc runs both Windows 10 and Manjaro. I also have a Steam Deck and a Rog Ally. Frankly I have complaints and issues for each OS and use each of them for different task and things. My point is I don't really like any of them but from all of those choices Linux is kinda the lesser evil. If there was a way better option like a forth os that everything works, all apps would be compatible with it, it would be less of a hassle and not spy on me and especially not force updates on me or crush do to multiple reasons including the forced updates then sign me up cause I would switch to it in a heartbeat.

Lol, 70℅ of my students base their personality on the fact they have iphones. Will you make a meme about people brainwashed by big capitalist business or do you prefer to complain about people actively using and contributing to free, fair and ethical alternative to corporate bullshit? I'm on Nobara btw. It comes will all codecs pre-installed and you have the option to use Gnome or Plasma.
- You openly admit hating Apple so your perception is tainted.
  
  Lol, what does having my "perception tainted" mean? I hate apple because it's a soulless buisiness that exploits workers around the world and sell overpriced products. Those are facts, what's tainted about that? I still have a Macbook for my job, probably the best laptop i ever had, but admitting they create good product doesnt make me an Apple fanboy.

Just block the linux meme communities then.
- That's half the problem, they don't contain themselves to those communities. If they find the faintest way to jam Linux into an active conversation, they'll do it regardless of the community.
  
  Interesting. You could setup something like a linux VM (or an rPi) running a distro with privoxy to filter out mentions of Linux per domain(s)!
  
  Then you've solved half your problem. Welcome to the real world. If most of it doesn't annoy you, you may have bigger problems.

What about liking an editor or shell, they must be personality traits!
- That's not a personality trait. That's a way of life ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

did someone say ads?
BLOCK

Pssshhh, as if I'd talk about an OS that's, Free, Open Source, has better drivers for most devices, instead of talking about .... I use arch btw

Nuh uh
- Let me save you. I also use hyprland btw
  
  Hah, I am too busy with exams to try hyprland but I am gonna try it soon. And btw the comment is fuckin joke man, chill out people.

You go to the circus and get mad when you see clowns.
- I mean, I don't get what's so hot about Emmett Kelly either.
  
  Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  what's so hot about Emmett Kelly either.
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

It's difficult to take someone seriously when they use the phrase "online persona".
I also don't really see the Linux obsessed commenters everyone is obsessed with. Yes there are Linux memes. Yes I'm sure some people are fixated with Linux, but it doesn't seem like an overwhelming number.
- Sir, this is a shitpost community.
  
  That's well as may be but you still said "online persona" like a vapid wanna be influencer.
- Are you a Linux user? I'm not and see it everywhere daily.
  
  Yes I'm a Linux user.
  
  Because you're on fucking Lemmy, dumb shit. 🤣
  \ "I hate bronies and mlp" - he says on derpibooru.

people are so desperate for an identity these days.

Honestly you Linux losers need to get on FreeBSD. Don't you know big FOSS is stealing your browsing metrics to improve their products?
- You might've been joking but the BSD community really can make the Linux community look like the Windows community.

it is actually (i use kde neon btw)

Keep those gnutard loonix users away from my grass!
- My grass is paid and open source

i mean have you ever tied fedora?
- M'Linux

"Hey, you posted this topic here, so just wanted to let you know, Linux would solve literally every problem you just complained about."
"A different operating system!? That's not a personality!! Why don't you keep your opinions to yourself and stop evangelizing! Reeeee!!!"

Linux users are inherently required to operate the operating system more than Windows or Mac. It’s something they spend time doing and therefore a frequent enough activity that some people talk about that activity.

If people got it they wouldn't be running Windows. The brow-beatings will continue.
- Have you tried windows 11? It's actually pretty amazing.
  Just kidding.
  But seriously, I don't support shaming people for not using Linux. Let people use the OS they are most comfortable with! I mean, unless it's a Mac. Fuck that noise.
  
  Don't get me wrong, I fully support people's right to run the linux distro they are most comfortable with.
  
  But seriously, I don't support shaming people for not using Linux
  Idk you replied to almost every comment on this thread hating ln linux