1y ago

Should i open a suicide watch /c/ ? EDIT: The /c/ has been made read the body for info.

EDIT : !loneliness@lemmy.today has been created . The /c/ will also work as suicide watch. It was @wesker@lemmy.world 's idea to change the /c/ to include lonely people more .

I have been wondering why lemmy has nothing that is active and modded (which is bad for a /c/ like that ) . But i don't wanna have any fall back from the law as i am quite brock atm so is there any such risk ? I am proposing this idea and will only carry on according to what majority thinks .

EDIT: Edited a bit which may have been misleading and because one user draw my attention it do reread if you have read the post before so you don't get any wrong idea.

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It's something that seems like a great idea, but likely carries a huge responsibility, legally and morally.
If I had to make a suggestion, start something a little less "loaded" but still greatly beneficial to people in need. Perhaps a loneliness support community?
- I think i an gonna take your idea and start a loneliness one .
  
  I think you'll be doing a great service, and will reach more people. Not everyone gets to the point of feeling suicidal, but plenty of people feel lonely at times, and could benefit from talking about it.
- Yes i am concerned about the legality as i have (at least i think) the moral ability to carry a sub like that.

- And depression_now@lemmy.world
  
  Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !depression_now@lemmy.world
- They seem to have a different approach and i was thinking about a real more straight forward one .

Not directly related but I had a situation yesterday when someone on masto randomly dropped their s-thoughts on me. It was very hard to come across that by surprise and I was really lucky my wife was next to me to talk about it immediately.
I suppose we do need some resources in the fedi to guide people towards. Just the most basic things:
where to get help
who to call/talk to in dark moments
what to do instead of self harm or worse
what to say to a hotline/mental health provider in moments of crisis to not be sent away
counter bad experiences with mh providers or s-prevention providers
I know its everything but basic to the people in need but I think being able to listen or help on the spot is an additional thing, not the most important. The most important would be providing something if you get a whiff of it, you report (like reddit‘s send help feature) the person/posts and the moderators/admins can guide them towards a resource with q&a.
Now its pretty much on topic after all I guess.
Thanks for reading, have a good one.
- Yes that is why this idea came to me . Also why censor the word suicide that is a really bad thing to do here let me SUICIDE not acknowledging it will only make the people with those thoughts feel more lonely and distant and like it is a bad thought to have thus making them more incapable to ask for help as it is a bad thing to say or think.
  
  We censor the word, same as everything else that has trigger potential, to not trigger people. Since you study psychology, you will know why thats bad. I‘m only studying it for fun, not „studying“ it.
- Would be nice to at least have a url and some hotlines on hand. Is there any way to write a bot that you can summon with @ or something?
  
  I agree. Not sure how the whole bot thing here works. They can be written but I dont know if .world needs to host it or if any place can. Pretty sure you can make a bot and instruct it to watch a set of communities. We‘d just have to make sure it doesnt get banned. Something like this should also exist already. Might wanna check github or something.

I think that would be very thoughtful of you. I'd be honored to help as well. I might not be much, especially considering I'm not different from a lot of such people, but I'm always here if someone needs a person to resort to, and so is my server as long as nobody leverages it. I have a humanities degree in high school job training, so I technically qualify.
- Hmm if i ever need help or am quitting lemmy (which i don't thibk i ever will as long as lemmy exist ) i will think of you and ty for the offer.

I would be cautious doing this as it opens the doors for trolls to make things worse. You'll have to be vigilant as a mod.
- Yeah i was just talking about this . This is one of the subs were "trolls" could really do some damage.
  Edited some misleasing bits

I think the burden with complying with the law is mostly on the instance owners and less so on you. But you're also responsible for what you do.
I'd be more concerned with the responsibility this comes with. You absolutely need to moderate it properly. And you need to do it right or you're doing your audience a disservice.
I don't think there is any shame in trying... If you can assure you're doing it somewhat properly.
- Yes i do want to help those kinds of people that is one of the sole reason i took this subject as my study but if a troll or something harms the user while i am asleep that could be bad and will cause ethical and (i don't know fr ) legal issues for me .
  
  I'm not sure when it gets to the legal side of things. It's probably really difficult (as it's always the case with law ;-) depends on the jurisdiction of the harmed user, the instance's jurisdiction and yours. And the case-specific details.
  I'm not a lawyer but I'd say it's not necessarily you in the line. Even if you willed the specific community into existence. The instance owner is providing the service. And it's also them having the final say in things and they have the logs if something goes wrong. And the actual offense is also commited by somebody else. So it's primarily their responsibility.
  I think I'm more concerned with the ethical side. And if I were you I'd pay attention it doesn't interfere with the career. So I'd stay pseudonymous and not use my real name.
  You're probably more qualified than some other random person. And always thinking about the negative extreme isn't getting people anywhere. It's more the people who just try things who succeed. And sometimes great things come from it. That'd be arguments to do it. In your cases there are bad consequences if you do it wrong. This isn't the case for casual conversation on Lemmy, but you can also really help people.
  Some Ideas: Try distributing the responsibility over more shoulders. Some communities have mods spread across the ocean so there's someone awake most of the time. And on Lemmy there are lots of people from the USA and from Germany. And you can manage expectations. Tell people what to expect and how to handle negative experiences. That enables them to make a decision for themselves.
  I'd like to add that is just my opinion and what my common sense provides me with. So despite me wording this a bit factually, it's just my 2 cents.

Probably shouldn't mention the psychology bit unless you're actually qualified incase people get the wrong idea and then hold you responsible for their mental health later on
- I don't care about the consequences i just wanted to be honest for all you know i may be a dog on the internet . But i do think you are right and will edit the bit out thanks

Heads up OP, you might want to change the community name to "loneliness" rather than "lonelinnes" before it becomes a hassle to move stuff over. People are definitely more likely to find it and immediately understand what it's about that way
- Wait i lost it again the name is aldready loneliness ?
- Sorry but i can't understand what you are saying the teo words you quoted look the same
  Edit : never mind got it i am dumb

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