US women are being jailed for having miscarriages -BBC 2021

What a hellhole of a country for woman. One step closer to Afghanistan.

This also has the added layer of jailing someone who is struggling with addiction. Oof.

This poor woman needed treatment, not a manslaughter conviction.

A couple years ago I watched one episode of this show where women are slaves. Stopped because it was so unrealistic.

Me today: The show was probably right.

Can't imagine how much worse it is now three years later.

What the FUCK is going on in this theocratic third world country with cellphones and guns???? How the fuck is the US still considered a leading nation????

every jurisdiction that implements these barbaric laws absolutely deserves the massive and precipitous birthrate and population collapse they've just induced.

it's very hard to vote with your feet because moving is expensive and stressful and traumatic

but you know what's even costlier, even more stressful, even more traumatic? FUCKING INCARCERATION.

So... people will find a way. Even if they have to walk.

Even if they have to crawl.

They're leaving.

They arrested an addict whose drug use may have led to a miscarriage, or who may have just had a miscarriage completely unrelated to the drug use, or a mixture of multiple issues.

There is no difference between this and obesity, alcohol, smoking, or poor diet. Obesity has a voluntary aspect to it, and increases your chances of miscarriage. Eating non-nutritious foods, micro plastics, not taking prenatal vitamins can all contribute to miscarriage. Getting into a car accident while voluntarily driving while pregnant, staying with a violent husband who beats you while pregnant... I mean where do you draw the line at making the pregnant woman 100% responsible for anything that happens while she is pregnant?

Anyone who would arrest or prosecute someone because they had a miscarriage deserves to be beaten to death. In Minecraft.

What a shit hole country

The examiner did not determine a cause of death for the foetus, noting genetic anomaly, placenta abruption or maternal methamphetamine use could have been contributing factors.

How unusual is it for no cause of death to be determined in a post-birth-human case and there still be a murder conviction?

Did you know you can significantly degrade the integrity of concrete and cinder blocks using something like dexpan demolition grout and a drill?

But according to some geniuses, both parties are same.

This BBC title is a click bait. It should have in the headlines a disclaimer that the person was using heavy drugs. The article says:

"When she arrived at hospital seeking treatment, Poolaw admitted to using illicit drugs while pregnant.

Later, the medical examiner's report, obtained by the BBC, found traces of methamphetamine in her unborn son's liver and brain.

The examiner did not determine a cause of death for the foetus, noting genetic anomaly, placenta abruption or maternal methamphetamine use could have been contributing factors."

And there it is. This is the main reason I'm effectively pro-choice, while technically being pro-life.

In case anyone cares, here's my specific policy preferences:

• women can never be charged with a crime for seeking an abortion - it's the woman's right to do with her body as she chooses
• the government should not be involved at all while miscarriage risk is high (say, 20 weeks or so)
• doctors should be the targets for any illegal abortion procedure, and medical data cannot be the subject of a subpoena (that would otherwise violate the women's privacy)
• after the initial "hands off" period, doctors (or anyone other than the mother) could only be charged with a crime for knowingly performing an abortion illegally, and abortions would be allowed to preserve the mother's life or to euthanize the child if complications would be significant
• if a mother decides to not keep the baby, the delivery should be performed as early as is safe, and the costs would be covered by the state

I'm okay with abortion being technically illegal, but the above would likely make it legal for all intents and purposes, and I'm okay with that.