China tops world in hydrogen stations, fueling a clean energy future
China tops world in hydrogen stations, fueling a clean energy future
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China tops world in hydrogen stations, fueling a clean energy future
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It's gonna be real funny when all the rich assholes who invested in Lithium mines lose all their momey when Hydrogen Fuel Cells and Sodium Ion Batteries become the mainstream.
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China is also developing stuff like sodium-ion batteries that could end up being a lot cheaper than lithium as well.
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You act like they won't pressure US congress to ban the "dangerous" new battery technology so they can maintain their monopoly.
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Sleeper builds in 2034: "No officer this car doesn't have any of those godless commie hydrogen fuel cells. It's all good old Nevada Lithium. I just paid for the Tesla™ Pro Maxx XL 2 advanced battery discharge™ service package is all."
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The US sold an advanced battery license to china because they didn’t take it seriously. China reached out to the American scientists and engineers who developed it to help guide their production. Now Americans can’t afford to produce it like china and china refuses to sell it to Americans despite it being a requirement for the license lol
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Reminds me of the ottoman empire banning printing
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Excuse my ignorance but is this the sodium found in desalination sludge? If so does that they can reuse that sludge rather than dumping it?
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They produce hydrogen by putting hundreds of citizens into those giant spheres and then crushing them
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Emissions in China have now entered structural decline and Clean energy was top driver of China’s economic growth in 2023, and they're building nuclear reactors faster than any other country.
- https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/13/chinas-carbon-emissions-set-for-structural-decline-from-next-year
- https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-was-top-driver-of-chinas-economic-growth-in-2023/
- https://www.economist.com/china/2023/11/30/china-is-building-nuclear-reactors-faster-than-any-other-country
Also worth noting that China has a concrete plan for becoming carbon neutral, and short term coal usage has been found to be in line with China's climate pledges
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The coal plants are normally not active, actually. They have a policy that when building renewable energy, they need to hedge it with some amount of active power generation that can be used to supplement the green energy in times of exceptional demand. Since the new plants are rarely used, it's actually more eco-friendly than having to vastly overprovision solar panels or batteries for the 99.99% power requirement, when the 95% or 90% power requirement is a fraction of that (and the footprint of the coal plant used to stretch to the maximum power requirement is vastly smaller than equivalent solar power).
It probably would still be better to use nuclear power as a hedge, not coal, but it's not as economically viable to build a nuclear power plant that is rarely going to be active.
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Since the new plants are rarely used, it's actually more eco-friendly than having to vastly overprovision solar panels or batteries for the 99.99% power requirement, when the 95% or 90% power requirement is a fraction of that (and the footprint of the coal plant used to stretch to the maximum power requirement is vastly smaller than equivalent solar power).
Where can I read more about this so that I can shut up the redditors
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im far from a China hater, but the massive number of coal fired plants they are putting online with each passing year really reduces the impact.
I understand the concern, but I'm pretty sure those new coal plants are used for developing regions that don't yet have sufficient clean energy (renewable or nuclear) due to development (and therefore poverty alleviation, quality of life improvement) taking priority.
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This is fascinating thank you for sharing!
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The people of the PRC are always winning
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China tops world
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All these science spheres are made of asbestos by the way, keeps out the rats...
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Zero emissions at the tailpipe, sure. The problem is that the most common type of commercial hydrogen production involves massive uncontrolled emissions of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. Can't beat the laws of chemistry and physics. Crack CH4 with hot H2O and you'll get your H's, sure. But you'll also get a whole lot of C's and O's, and capturing them is very unprofitable. So they all get vented into the atmosphere.
So yeah, you can safely drink the exhaust of a hydrogen car. But every top-up of a hydrogen fuel tank means greenhouse gas emissions at the source.
And that's not even getting into the leak issues (the H2 used is the smallest molecule in the universe, it likes to leak out of everything), the tank wear-and-tear issues that come with leaks (it's called hydrogen embrittlement), and the interesting politics of a hydrogen station developer trying to convince a city council that they'd like to install what is basically a rocket fuel depot in an urban area.
A lot of hydrogen produced in China is actually clean, and they do have a concrete plan to move towards zero emissions hydrogen production:
China is making less than 1% green hydrogen right now, if they really can get it to 10% by 2030 id be very happy. But as far as I can see from that report, the plan is "invent some technology that makes this more efficient". I think will happen eventually just not predictably enough to make a plot out to 2060 like hydrogen will be a good idea compared to other renewable technologies that will also advance in that time period.
But anyway China is taking green energy seriously so they might as well try everything.
Playing half-Earth socialism, moving the dial from "blue hydrogen" to "green hydrogen" and hoping I don't cause shortages
There are challenges to burning hydrogen for energy, but the upsides are really compelling. I was astounded to read in the article that China is already producing hydrogen from electrolysis, and that they are planning for 10% of their hydrogen production to be from hydrolysis by 2025! That’s absolutely astounding. This is the only project in the world actually trying to produce hydrogen through electrolysis on an industrial scale. Clearly they have a lot of confidence in the technology.