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Pentagon Chief: If Ukraine Is Defeated, NATO Will Be At War With Russia

www.zerohedge.com Pentagon Chief: If Ukraine Is Defeated, NATO Will Be At War With Russia

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From Pepe Escobar's telegram.

Thoughts?

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We know that if Putin is successful here, he will not stop. He will continue to take more aggressive actions in the region.

More of the same bullshit doomsaying about the asiatic horde trying to drum up support for the proxy war. Ukraine is screwed and when they're forced to accept defeat NATO isn't gonna do shit. Well except continue training Nazi terrorists to attack Russia and all the other usual stuff of course.
- Well except continue training Nazi terrorists to attack Russia
  
  With their support from the population they may decide it's better to turn on NATO asking for land or other things.
I refuse to believe the europeans are so stupid to go to war with Russia. By their own admission the armed forces of basically all of NATO countries are in such a bad state that it will take decades to recover. No european NATO country has the military industrial capacity to compete with Russia, let alone win. And what little they have in stock already has been transfered to Ukraine. Specially in the case of Germany and the UK. What are they going to do? Fight Russia with the old Soviet and Warsaw pact equipment, run out of it the first week and then buy sone more from Russia? Chauvinism is no replacement for armor and ammo. Why would they think they can fight? Just because the gringos are cheering on them?! I do believe Europe has an enormous debt to the global south, but not to the point of continetal suicide and global catastrophe.
- By their own admission the armed forces of basically all of NATO countries are in such a bad state that it will take decades to recover
  
  The media keeps telling them that each "Saint javelin" (actual circulating meme) takes a gazillion orcs every time it's used, likewise for every destroyed leopard or Bradley. The leap from this to "sure, it's in Bad shape, but together we shall persevere!" is not that far away.
  
  No european NATO country has the military industrial capacity to compete with Russia
  
  Not everyone in Russia understands this, much less in Europe
- I also didn't believed they will commit economical seppuku since 2022 but they did, and many does so enthusiatically.
- They absolutely are stupid enough and the libs will absolutely join the ~~dumbledore's~~ army to fight the evil Putler!
  
  If by join the army you mean continue to post on reddit sure.
  
  But the libs believe very strongly that OTHER PEOPLE should give up their lives for some eastern European farmland.
- They think they can fight because their plan is to start the fight and count on America's inability to avoid getting dragged into a war where they could sell a bunch of underequipped countries arms.
  
  If Trump’s re-elected and continues his anti-NATO position they’re fucked. Not that he wouldn’t open new fronts in the war against the world.
  
  I don't know, we already have that arrangement with Israel. We can't exactly be everywhere.
- Europeans fighting zero-sum wars is historically accurate.
- I think France is stupid enough but Germany did say they wouldn’t drop troops in Ukraine so I think that’s admission of not wanting a direct war with Russia on their end. I do think the US and Canada are stupid enough to push it, though.
  
  What Germany thinks and wants is irrelevant. They will do as they are told by Washington. They didn't even dare speak up about the US blowing up their main energy supply pipeline. They are a completely subjugated vassal state.
  
  The germans were stupid enough to let the US blow up the pipeline they invested in, they are absolutely stupid enough.
but I was told NATO was a defensive alliance...
- The best defense is a good... encircling of potential rivals with disposable puppet states who prop up your inflated MIC.
The dems have finally learned that being the lesser evil is not a great motivating factor in elections. They have thusly decided that being the greater evil is the way forward!
- They’ve got some strong competition.
- It's so funny how our choices are Trump or WW3. What's less funny is that team WW3 are dead serious about it and think we all need to be on board.
Hey, don't think in 'ifs', think in 'whens' 😊 #motivationmonday #lifegoals #staypositive
- Wait, but today is Friday my dude 😜
  
  I see the woke time police are out in full force
Sounds like a threat. I mean, nato has been at war with Russia for years, but putting it out like that is a threat
That’s a bad move for NATO since Putin just had a speech where he said if NATO drops troops in Ukraine he will use nukes.
- Yeah, but NATO controllers has been doing desperate instead of sane for a long time. Why bring the world to retaliatory nuke situation?
  
  That's a bad move for everyone.
  
  They’re hungry for mutually assured destruction at the expenses of everyone who didn’t consent to this and it’s terrifying.
- He didn't mean he would use nukes, just that war between two nuclear armed countries necessarily escalates to nuclear war. If you asked Biden, he would say the same thing. Which is why it's so irresponsible for the West to be arming Ukraine like they have been, tempting fate
  
  I don’t know, I guess reading between the lines it sounds like he would use them but I’m more than willing to be wrong. Then again I’m the type who doesn’t want to poke the bear, unlike NATO it seems. I think being in a NATO country also increases the anxiety around nuclear retaliation. We don’t have nukes but what’s truly stopping them from being dropped here? I’m not a fan of our leaders putting our lives on the line knowing they have bunkers to hide in…
- honestly think he's bluffing at this point. why would he use nukes and risk reprisal when Russia is honestly in a better state military production wise than NATO?
  
  edit: to be clear, I would really rather not find out lol
  
  I hope he’s bluffing but when it comes to these matters it seems you have to take it seriously. Threats like these don’t work if you believe they won’t follow through on it. I only say this because we learned about nuclear war strategies in my PoliSci class yesterday and my professor mentioned this Putin speech. He seems quite worried about escalation and so am I.
Well then, round of applause to Finland and Sweden for making themselves obliged nuclear targets in the case where this person isn't just speaking sore loser bullshit.
They're obviously trying to scare people into supporting Ukraine. I doubt it'll work much longer.
Awesome
Bullshit. Nobody wants to die for shitty right wing ukranian regime.
We in Workers World can counter Gen. Austin’s predictions. If Biden orders U.S. youths into a war with Russia, we predict widespread resistance among the working class will challenge these orders. The young people who already consider this administration criminal will lead that resistance, and it will spread to the U.S. military.

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