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  • Or perhaps different countries have different geopolitical interests

    Riiight... because the average Russian is gaining so much by this war? Just like the average USian benefited so much from the US occupation of Afghanistan?

    considering how good the social programs are.

    Do you mean the social programs they only have because Swedish and Finnish elites feared a Russian-style revolution so much? Those social programs?

    causing their shitty economic system today,

    Russia's "shitty economic system" was created by the west's rapacious "shock doctrine" of the 90s, dipshit. Get your facts straight.

    To be an internationalist is to ignore all of human history and psychology in pursuit of a utopian pipe dream.

    Riiiight... because imaginary lines drawn on a map must (somehow) be genetically encoded in humans by some kind of capitalist magic.

    Sheesh... bootlickers gonna bootlick, I guess.

    • Riiight... because the average Russian is gaining so much by this war? Just like the average USian benefited so much from the US occupation of Afghanistan?

      The Russian oligarchy, which is the current ruling class of Russia and descends from Soviet bureaucrats and mobsters, did stand to benefit greatly. Russia isn't a democracy, so it's only natural that the government doesn't care about the people.

      The occupation of Afghanistan was incredibly popular among the American people when it began largely because Afghanistan was harboring people who, y'know, committed the biggest terror attack in history against the United States. It only became unpopular once it turned into a slog, and the reason we took so long to leave is because our withdrawal from Iraq went terribly and we didn't want a repeat. Nobody gained much from it.

      Do you mean the social programs they only have because Swedish and Finnish elites feared a Russian-style revolution so much? Those social programs?

      Am I supposed to be defeated by this? Democracy works because of an agreement between the government and the people, wherein the government serves the interests of the people and is run by bureaucrats chosen by the people, and in exchange the people do not rebel against it and allow it to do government stuff. Of course democratic governments implement social programs out of fear of social instability, that's a feature, not a bug.

      Russia's "shitty economic system" was created by the west's rapacious "shock doctrine" of the 90s, dipshit. Get your facts straight.

      Shock therapy was invented by the former leader of the RSFSR after he overthrew Mikhail Gorbachev, in order to turn the centrally planned Soviet economy into a free market economy. In the process, it ended up creating the oligarchy, made up of former Soviet bureaucrats and organized criminals. Everyone in the Russian upper class today got there because they took advantage of the absolute garbage system used by the USSR.

      Riiiight... because imaginary lines drawn on a map must (somehow) be genetically encoded in humans by some kind of capitalist magic.

      Humans are wired to be tribalistic and to view land as their tribal property, and to get violent over resources during times of scarcity so that their tribe survives the winter. If you pay attention in history class, you'll see that humans have done this in some form from the stone age to the modern era. Nationalism is just human tribalism taken to the extreme, kinda like socialism is just envy taken to the extreme.

      Sheesh... bootlickers gonna bootlick, I guess.

      Cry about it, I guess.

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