A Florida high school required parents' permission for students to watch Disney's 'Tangled,' prompting some to say local education laws are 'out of control'

This is fucking insane:

"I had to sign a permission slip for my child who could drive himself to see it in a movie theater," Judi Hayes told the outlet.
Parents like Hayes said they must sign a new permission slip for after-school programs and events almost every week.
"It seems like it's just it's out of control. It's every single activity. And it's burdensome on the staff because they have to chase down permission slips. The club's sponsors are getting frustrated and giving up because it's too much work," Hayes said.
Hayes added that she even had to sign a form so her child could receive pre-calculus tutoring with their teacher after school. The teacher referenced the Parental Rights in Education law in notes to parents explaining why they were being asked to sign a permission slip.

Just apart from this being a completely irrational way to go about things, can you imagine how much time this takes up for everyone involved?

Welcome to a world where everything in school has to be okayed by every parent, else they risk losing their job if someone complains.
Conservative fucks are gonna try to make this the future of public schools, because the inefficiency is the point.
- Exactly. The party of small government has one goal. To make government buearacracy so big and slow you throw your hands up in frustration and not participate. So then they can come in and saw only they can fix the mess they created and only make it bigger.
- Yet another reason I'm glad this state has a public online school program that I could put my daughter in. No permission slips ever. Even if they do have an (always optional) "field trip," it involves a parent taking them to a location and staying there with them.
- Specifically, the point is to create so much dysfunction in the public school system that it eventually collapses. Then, they can instead fund Christian Madrasas instead.
"See how inefficient the government is? Education needs to be run by private companies."
Think of it in terms of staff salaries versus the taxes used to pay them. If you can get people to consider that, they'll suddenly want to be the party of small government again.

As a kid that grew up with parents that were prudish.... It will fuck your life up. Completely. Entirely.

It's interesting. My mother-in-law isn't what I'd call prudish, but she definitely restricted what her children could watch in terms of things like R-rated movies.
My father, on the other hand, was a film historian who, despite that, didn't really understand what movies were and were not appropriate for kids, which is why I saw Aliens in the theater when I was 9 years old.
We spent a long time butting heads over how far I wanted to go with my own daughter in terms of age appropriateness vs. how far she wanted to go. I eventually won that battle when my daughter turned 12 and my wife realized that there was no way to hide the world of R-rated things from a 12-year-old with YouTube anyway.
And that's why my daughter's favorite movie is now Forbidden Zone.
- Haha, haven't met many that know that movie.
- Eh, part of the rating system is to prevent you from fucking up someone else’s kid, and part of it is knowing your own child.
  You’re not allowed to sell an R movie to a 10 year old, for instance. But their parent can come in and buy it for them no problem.
  And honestly, just because a movie is rated R, doesn’t mean your 10 year old can’t handle it. You likely know your kid best. But you also know that while they can handle Aliens, they shouldn’t watch Zach and Miri Make a Porno for obvious reasons.
  It’s a balancing act that only works if the parent is paying attention though.
I still feel bad for the 1 kid in jr high whose parents refused to let him do the sex ed section. 13yos are assholes enough, they didn't really need something else to use to make fun of him for.
Yep. I loved going to the library while my classmates got to watch a movie
Tangled? Or being with prudes? Jk
- Well these days it's probably either or...
Yup
yes. forever

"I never thought leopards would eat my face"

Not all of us here voted for these people, Florida's voters are at least 40% democrats gauging from the last election, that's hopefully grown since all of DeSantis's bullshit, I guess we'll see in November.
- Rooting for ya, bud.
- I'm still not convinced that it's enough to override identity politics of small people who want to feel bigger than they are.

"Your dream stinks. I was talking to her."
The reprise of "Mother Knows Best" always gives me chills

Why not a permission slip in the beginning of the year with checkboxes for everything that might need a permission slip. Is there a requirement for them to be specific?

The requirement stems from knowing that if you aren't explicit and specific, regressives will try to ruin your life directly and via stochastic terrorism.
- But also even if you are explicit and specific, regressives will try to ruin your life directly and via stochastic terrorism.
You are really overestimating how far ahead these things are planned out. It would be a horrible nightmare to coordinate all of it months and months in advance.
“Yes I checked the ‘movies rated from G to T’ box, but they played Strange World, and that has the gay disease in it!” /s
People are idiots, and it’s Florida. Florida has proven itself insane, so this is why they get.
It's 2024. We dont need to bring ink and paper into this. Publish your syllabus online at the beginning of the year, provide a list of everything that needs parental permission for viewing, let me check them check boxes.

You have love how everyone is behind this until it becomes slightly inconvenient for them.

I'm not in Florida, but can they sign a permission slip that just includes everything.

"I, _________, do give my child permission to sign their own permission slips."

Probably not. The whole point is to bog down the education system.
My kids school just has us sign a media permission slip once a year. Works great.
- I don't think that would cover the modern rage about anything parent

The way parents can stop this is by asking the school whether they had a license from Disney to show the movie.

The permission slips are just proof they showed the movie to a large group of people (most likely without a license, because what school has a budget for that?)

Educational purposes are fair use.
Constitutionally, the purpose of copyright laws is to promote the progress of science and the useful arts. Fair Use isn't really an "exemption". Fair Use is the fundamental reason why copyright is allowed to exist. The restrictions allowed by copyright law are the limited commercial exemptions from "public domain", temporarily granted to authors and artists.
All published information is in the public domain unless a specific, copyright exemption temporarily applies to withhold it.
- All published information is in the public domain unless a specific, copyright exemption temporarily applies to withhold it.
  You sure about that? In the US, the creator of a work has automatic copyright over it, whether it's published or not: https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html
  If you meant something else, or there's a modifier to your claim here that I'm not seeing, maybe you could clarify?
- As with most legal matters, it depends: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/index.html
  Purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes: Courts look at how the party claiming fair use is using the copyrighted work, and are more likely to find that nonprofit educational and noncommercial uses are fair. This does not mean, however, that all nonprofit education and noncommercial uses are fair and all commercial uses are not fair; instead, courts will balance the purpose and character of the use against the other factors below. Additionally, “transformative” uses are more likely to be considered fair. Transformative uses are those that add something new, with a further purpose or different character, and do not substitute for the original use of the work. Nature of the copyrighted work: This factor analyzes the degree to which the work that was used relates to copyright’s purpose of encouraging creative expression. Thus, using a more creative or imaginative work (such as a novel, movie, or song) is less likely to support a claim of a fair use than using a factual work (such as a technical article or news item). In addition, use of an unpublished work is less likely to be considered fair.
  I don't know many schools willing to bother finding out whether the use was fair.
This isn't actually public exhibition because members of the public in general cannot attend. This is an educational purposes deal and is perfectly fine.
- We're actually discussing educational purposes and fair use in this thread:
  https://lemmy.world/comment/7787391
  So far, the consensus is "probably"