LinkedinLunatics @sh.itjust.works Drew @sopuli.xyz 9 mo. ago

Saying the quiet part out loud, with pride

alt text: 18 of our 40 employees are located in the Philippines. Insanely competent, great judgement, and $5 per hour. If you run a small business and don't have overseas help you're at a disadvantage

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This part has never been quiet.
- Came in to say something similar...
- Bleeding our economy has always been celebrated, and the people who are being bled are always demonized.
Wow it's almost like capitalisms profit motive encourages businesses to exploit the less fortunate because not doing so puts your business at a disadvantage.
- $5 in the Philippines probably has vastly more purchasing power than it does in the United States. If you're supposed to pay them the same salary as to someone working in the US then why not just hire an American and have the dude in Philippines go back to picking coconuts for $2 and hour or something. I wouldn't be surprised if the Philipino worker is more than happy with their salary and you might even be able to employ several people for the same amount of money.
  
  This same effect applies to charities aswell. Donating money to some poor african country helps many more people than it does when given to a local charity.
  
  Sure yes short term it is probably a good option for the average Filipino or any other person taking an American job in a foreign country for less money than that company would pay an American because yeah it does pay relatively well in their situation. However, it takes advantage of their material situation to pay them monetarily less than they would be paid in the US. Essentially it uses the fact that they need the money more (their demand) to pay them less. Is this not similar to paying any American poor person less because they need it more?
  
  Regardless of how you feel about the morality of all that it's fucking terrible for the Philippines. That Filipino labor is not benefitting the Filipino economy it's benefitting the US economy. This might not be so bad if they were being paid more or even up to the amount that they make for that American company (though this would never happen under capitalism bc a company needs profit) because at the very least that loss of labor power would be supplemented with equivalent monetary gain.
  
  So in short, outsourced jobs takes advantage of poor people to pay them less and strips foreign economies of their labor power
- Explain how $5/hr. is exploiting a Pilipino. I'll wait.
  
  EDIT: I note there are no explanations. My wife says it's damned good pay back home. And for you economic geniuses, $5 there buys 2-4 times what it buys in America. $10-$20/hr. is exploitative? Beats American minimum wage by a long shot.
  
  Anyway, we're retiring there. I'll live like a king on the little I've saved. Y'all keep paying 2-4x for the same loaf of bread and bottle of milk.
  
  $5 an hour is an exploitative wage, it fundamentally does not matter the country we're talking about. And there are no explanations because you gave 0 effort except for inviting an argument and no one was in the mood.
My uncle visited the Philippines. When he came back he went on and on, “They’re poor, some don’t have running water and they got dirt for floors. They work so hard though, and they’re so loyal. I wish I could find people like that here in the states. Not people constantly asking for more. People who are happy with what they have and are loyal. You can’t find anyone loyal to anything but themselves here.”

I nearly vomited hearing that shit.

“Why won’t people just make me rich here without worrying about their piece of the pie. I don’t have enough luxury vehicles. My house isn’t a castle like it should be.” Was all I heard.

It’s disgusting.
- Absofuckinglutley. My God... "Only loyal to themselves."
  
  Yeah dude... We got rid of slavery and no one exactly feels like volunteering to be a ~~slave~~ loyal worker especially when owners aren't loyal to their employees!
  
  I should serve you and your best interests with vigor, but the next cheap labor opportunity you find you drop me like a bad habit... <No, Thanks.>
- Tell him to "be the change you want to see in the world"
  
  And then smash his floor so it becomes all dirt
It's wild that people celebrate folks sending jobs overseas as "smart business people", but then demonize workers asking for wages to keep to with inflation as "greedy".
- I wonder if this guy's anti-immigration too.
  
  Yes, but not anti temporary-migrant-workers.
- What about those that send jobs overseas without the demonizing? Should they be equally criticized?
  
  The people doing the demonizing of workers are the ones praising the business owners. Although sometime they're also business owners themselves, I was more talking about financial reporters, TV personalities, and bootlickers.
  
  But, yes.
I think it's fine to outsource some things overseas, but don't criminally underpay them!
- $5/hr is a decent wage in the Philippines. Minimum wage there is ~$11/day, so $5/hr is quite a bit more than minimum wage.
  
  Minimum wage may not be the whole story, our minimum wage is $7.25 still and I dont think anyone believes that can be lived on here. The cost of living is more significant a measure of the pay's fairness
  
  Their labor creates expensive value in an expensive market. Share accordingly.
  
  “It’s a great pay where they are” argument is bullshit.
- I think that companies shouldn't be allowed to change wage/salary based on locale.
  
  But I have no idea how that could be enforced.
  
  Taxes
  
  Wish granted. Tech job compensation falls to record low as it equalizes with latin america and south asia.
- It doesn't. Since the dolar has usually a higher value americans pay little but when you convert the people there make ok money. It's a win x win x lose (in this case the american people that need jobs too :/)
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- There was already a software developer that got two contracts with different companies, then "outsourced" his workloads to four guys overseas in secret.
  
  Iirc he spent a tenth of his salary on paying this people and did nothing but attend meetings, but the output was pretty bad so eventually they found out.
I automatically block anyone in my feed who has a sentence as their job title. They are always garbage.
In Canada we import people to work the jobs deemed beneath Canadians.... then they're put up in company housing.

Pretty much modern day slave trade. The money doesn't even stay in the country, a lot of it is remitted back home to their families.
- Uhhh... slaves didn't get paid at all.
  
  Allowing people to immigrate into a developed country, make way more money than they would at home, get put up in company housing, and send the majority of the money back to their families seems like a pretty good deal for all parties.
The minimum wage in Philippines is ~$6 per day in the provincial regions (350Php). $5 per hour for 8 hours is damn well nearly a king’s ransom; equivalent to 2,200Php.
- Damn wtf
- Thank you. ITT: Bunch of spoiled, outraged clueless people.
  
  Just ask my Pilipino wife if $5/hr. is good money back home. She stared at me for a beat, "Oh yeah! That is very good!"
  
  You can live damned well on $40/day. Her ex went over there and took her whole family out to dinner at a nice restaurant in Manila. 12 people, $50 including a generous tip. I make $81K/yr. and I couldn't take half that many people out to eat on a day's pay.
I wonder how many execs are paying someone in the Philippines to take their online MBA course?
Joke's on them, I don't have $5
- I haven't had $5 in 7 years
  
  But have you had “5 on it” though?
Globalism doesn't really disturb people the way it used to.
#entraprenure

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