Games @lemmy.world simple @lemm.ee 4 mo. ago

Xbox Next-Gen Console Confirmed, Will be 'Largest Technical Leap in a Hardware Generation'

www.ign.com Xbox Next-Gen Console Confirmed, Will be 'Largest Technical Leap in a Hardware Generation' - IGN

Sarah Bond revealed that Xbox is working on a next-generation Xbox console to deliver "the largest technical leap" in the upcoming hardware generation.

Rumors of Xbox not wanting to continue their hardware are now confirmed to be false.

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I feel like we hear this every single time though. "Largest tech leap in a hardware generation" very much means "we'll bump the graphics a little, we're still targeting 30fps though"
- I'd argue this generation actually did deliver performance-wise, most games release with a performance mode that targets 60fps whereas the PS3/PS4 generation felt mostly stuck to 30FPS.
  
  Honestly, that's fair. Maybe I was being a little too harsh, plus this gen did come with more customizable settings (IE, setting to "performance mode" or "fidelity" mode)
  
  Well, yeah, this gen is pretty much last gen but 60fps.
  
  Except when it tries to do fancy UE5 features or raytracing then you get that 30 fps with smeary FSR
  
  Up until recently I think most TVs weren't 60Hz
- 30/60fps is always a developer choice. Not related to hardware capability.
  
  That being said, every generation console makers will make the most powerful hardware they can for the price point they are gonna charge. It's not exactly like Microsoft have any secret sauce here. It's the same amd/nvidia hardware choices for the price point they think they can sell at that anyone can make a machine with.
  
  I don't know why you were being downvoted. It's true. FPS is the developers decision. If a game had like 9 pixels on screen, they could make that game do ultra high framerate.
  
  Developers usually prefer better graphics over framerate however. I just hope that more games allow the choice between graphics, framerate, and a balance between the two... like with Hogwarts Legacy.
  
  30/60fps is always a developer choice
  
  Yes, a choice to code and optimize the game properly or not is always the creator's choice.
Honestly, I don't think I'll own another console at this point.

PC will have my focus.
- Console are great for the audience that doesn't want to pay the prevalent PC/GPU premium at this stage.
  
  They'll pay it anyhow. They just won't get a GPU for it and be stuck with only what's on their specific platform.
  
  I don't even need the giant GPU. I just need the open platform to keep playing the games I already love.
  
  At this point, a preowned Steam Deck is so much cheaper than any next gen console might ever be. So the barrier to entry for PC gaming is even lower and from a customer perspective, we know what platform players should go for
  
  proceeds to buy $70 games
  
  Except you definitely make up for it and probably pay more (depending on what hardware cost your comparing to of course) on the consoles. All three consoles have subscription-based services that are more or less required. Some of the controllers for the consoles are as much or more than a keyboard or mouse. You rarely see a price decline of any of the games (especially Nintendo), and certainly nothing as near as what you'll find on PC.
  
  So consoles are a cheap upfront cost that's recouped overtime. I'm not saying that consoles are definitely more expensive, but the true cost of ownership is somewhat muddled.
- PCs are brilliant! But I like console
  
  I play on both! I like pc for cheaper prices and some different games. I like my xbox to just "plug and play", it is simple and I don't have to keep verifying if it will run smoothly. My pc is kinda strong, but not super strong, so AAA titles a no go there
  
  Steam deck is best of both worlds
- At this point, unless the PS5 shapes up and offers exclusives that matter, I will probably do the same.
  
  After the Helldivers 2 release Sony started talking about getting more aggressive with PC releases, so I think we're going to see a lot less console only releases.
- Game pass is too good for me to resist consoles tbh, the PC app is ass. I can't be bothered at this point to buy an expensive PC to be able to play AAA games.
- I've dropped buying them after the 7th Gen. 360 and ps3 were enough for me. My PC can do way more stuff anyway.
"And what we're focused on there is delivering the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation,

Pretty sure that is said by at least one player in the console game every time they announce new hardware.
The big 2 vendors jumped on the Raytracing bandwagon too early and it shows.
- Ray tracing was the hot new buzzword after CP2077 showed off what consoles couldn't at the time.
  
  Unfortunately the tech didn't even mature on PC yet, at least not without upscaling and now frame gen to help get it to more pleasing framerates.
  
  Yeah I thought the same reading that.
  
  Even in the very game, CP2077, as impressive as it can be, it can also be just as disappointing. It's still a nice technical marvel, but it's not at all the gamechanger it wanted to be.
  
  And there's games such as A Plague Tale Requiem where the baked lighting looks flat-out better in most scenes than the raytracing, since unlike the "realistic" raytracing they hand-crafted it to be unrealistic but fitting for the tone and atmosphere of the scene. So I turned it off again.
  
  I'll be honest, so far the only game where RT universally made me go "I'll leave that on, that's awesome!" is Riftbreaker. And it has a comparatively minor effect there, but at least a purely positive one (CP2077 I prefer at native rez over RT + DLSS which gets a weird pseudo-blur even with carefully tweaked resharpening, it's just part of how it renders I think as other games don't have this issue).
  
  Ray tracing in this generation was a classical case of "biting more than you can chew". Huge distraction.
- Doesn't help AMD is behind compared to Nvidia
Let me guess, something something AI.
The biggest jump in the current consoles was the load times. I don't think there's anything the next gen could do to impress.
- Ray tracing performance that’s actually good enough for games to fully ditch rasterized lighting and reflections
  
  That is beyond optimistic for consoles. Maybe three or four more generations worth.
  
  That sounds a lot like the jump from HD to 4K. Which is to say a lot less impactful than the previous jumps and tech. And something a lot of people might not even notice.
  
  Are there other benefits to this? Like less work for developers?
Could I get paddles and gyro on the controller for my PC needs please.
- It's such a tragedy that Xbox controllers are the only major controller not to have any gyro. We could've had cross-platform shooters that allow for gyro ironsight aiming, or even allow it on PC (it's currently a common option on Steam Deck, with some tinkering)
  
  At this point I'm hoping for a Steam Controller 2. The Deck had so many nice nifty features that I didn't know I needed.
- Allow me to recommend the Flydigi Vader 3 Pro. It has Hall-effect sticks, gyro, back buttons, six face buttons, Xbox style trigger rumble and every button is mechanical. It also works on the Switch and Android
  
  The current limitation I’m finding with third party controllers is that I can’t bind the back paddles to what I want in Steam. I can only bind them to buttons that are available on the controller through their software.
  
  I like to use the back paddles as modifier’s like Ctrl or Alt or to apply an action layer to temporarily modify my other buttons.
Every new console since I've had the original NES is the largest technological leap...
Microsoft has clarified that it wants its games to be experienced across various devices

Microsoft, please give me streaming with keyboard and mouse. It is not rocket surgery (tm) to do that and it is promised now for so long.
- GeForce Now ?
  
  They presumably want gamepass or they want to stream to twitch from their console. Not sure.

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