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The first car-free community built from scratch in the US is starting to take off: 'For some, cars equal freedom, but for me, it's a restriction'

www.thecooldown.com The first car-free community built from scratch in the US is starting to take off: 'For some, cars equal freedom, but for me, it's a restriction'

In the Culdesac part of Tempe, Arizona, residents are the first non-urban community in the U.S. to boast a walkable, car-free neighborhood.

The first car-free community built from scratch in the US is starting to take off: 'For some, cars equal freedom, but for me, it's a restriction'

Also a huge number of people in the US travel to places that are walkable:

Disney World
Las Vegas (The strip is anyway)
DC
NYC

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car free community

cover photo shows both a car and parking lot

I'm just being pedantic but this just shows how ingrained cars are in modern society that even "car-free" communities need them
- Also Disney is not designed for public use. It’s built to extract as much money out of you without leaving their property.
  
  The strip is designed for that as well
  
  And yet people enjoy it.
  
  Maybe we should build our city centers the same way then.
- tree free too apparently
- Probably more accurate to say it's a car optional community? Or walkable community? Or even arcology?
- Yeah, I agree with you. Being 100% without a car is hard in most cases.
  
  And the answer I see is trains. For the amount of money that does into the car industry (+ multi lane roads, administration, maintenance, etc) we could have super fancy, comfy, fast, frequent, and cheap/free trains.
  
  And people would have more mobility too, at a fraction of the cost and environmental damage.
  
  Robust public transit is the obvious answer to ridding ourselves of the car menace. Now, I need a few hundred billion dollars to "lobby" this into existence.
  
  Trains for long distance + trolleys and subways for local travel. There will invariably be people whose transportation needs require a private vehicle but this combo alone would clear up the majority of cars on the road in my opinion.
- If it's the place I think it is then it's also located directly off the highway without really any nearby restaurants.
- UPS ain't walkin
  
  Bicycles with trailers? Could work for a lot of packages I order anyways.
not gonna catch on as long as its sold with a price premium instead of a discount for what they save on not building and maintaining car infrastructure.
- The rents are extremely reasonable for the area. Here's a video where some residents discuss their rents: https://youtu.be/hf0L3blkNA4
- Ohh yeah the popular and highly desirable thing that people are willing to pay a premium for won't catch on!
Why is the architecture and placement so bad tho? And narrow. Seems like a poor southern Italian village, but uglier. Or like a dark futuristic movie set.

Open walkable spaces can be pretty, does wonders for (populations) mental health.
- The answer is to create shade. At those angles, you can find shade at any given time.
  
  This is in frigging Phoenix Arizona. Nothing is walkable in 120 degrees.
  
  Phoenix has a couple of these self contained communities already. The parking lot could be for people outside the community to come and visit the shops.
  
  That's like 48°C, pretty hot! I don't think I could walk around in that. I take back some of my criticism.
  
  Surely they need trees and covered areas though, not just boxy houses jammed in together like crooked teeth.
  
  Shade is good - been in the south for 8ish years for work - It gets toasty down here.
  
  A combination of artificial shade and greenery can have multiple benifits. (where applicable obviously - not all regions can support it nor should they try)
  
  Shade can be functional too. There's been some interesting research into panels/pigments that radiate infared light at the wavelength that can escape our atmosphere producing a cooler than ambient surface that could have a variety of uses. A ton of recent advances in solar technology as well.
- I watched a YouTube video on it and they mentioned they designed the structure to maximize shade.
  This combined with the white buildings knocked more than 20° off of the ambient temps within the neighborhood.
  
  Edit:
  
  The video.
  
  Kirsten Dirksen tours a lot of homes / areas that focus on sustainability or break the mold.
  
  Yeah, I don't understand, were trees or solar panels not available? Not to mention that maximizing shade could be achieved with a simple pattern and taller buildings or rooftop gardens/panels. Even a simple mesh tarp (mimicking leaves) over the allies does the same trick without claustrophobia :). At such latitude shading from the top is way more effective than from the sides.
  
  And what walkable city/neighborhood doesn't have a piazza for people to gather & eat, drink, shop, etc?
  
  Dense structure placement like that def looks like developers maximizing buildings per land, not for the community.
  
  A shade structure in Phoenix’s Civic Space Park
  
  I don't suppose you have a link to said video? I'd be curious to see it in more detail.
- Oh that's gonna be premium in a year or two. Welcome to your 'block.'. You get sunshine indirectly between the hours of 11 and 1. Curfew is at 10. Be back in your cube by then.
  
  We have the capacity to build green open neighborhoods using existing block structures and infrastructure... we just chose not to because it's prime real estate. Roads and repairs are expensive... but if we replace it with more homes it's better revenue generation.
  
  I'd love to see a proper balance struck but for an idea to take root the seed must be blessed by capitalism. For it to grow it must, above all, be profitable. For adoption it must be accepted by the elite.
  
  I cannot go into details but - I've seen some outstanding ideas of how to convert a city block by block and they do give me hope... but listening to discussions and debates on it is soul rending.
  
  I'd genuinely love to see it in my lifetime- And in a form that strikes a balance that is both sustainable and actually an improvement in living conditions.
  
  Lol it's Tempe. The goal is to avoid the sun I promise you
- @Evil_Shrubbery this, why is it so full of dark and creepy spaces?
  
  I wrote that comment before reading the article - it's supposed to be fancy/expensive. Wtf. Prisons have better views then those (and bigger windows).
  
  I hope they are not innovating slums for middle class, lul. Tho they can be good, fun, & cozy (just not rich), James May portrayed one nicely in his India season of Man Abroad
  
  ... or maybe it's a pic after a devastating (muddy) flood that squeezed all the houses randomly together.
Ok but Phoenix is shit. Just a terrible “city” even for US standards. Why would anyone wanting to live car free live in Phoenix?
- I spent two weeks in a cheap OrangeTree Resort booking and got groceries, took a tour of ASU, and went to a bunch of restaurants using only a week-long bus pass which also covers metro. It was way nicer than living in buttfuck nowhere Dakota where I have to drive 30 minutes to pick up groceries. I plan to move to the area at some point.
  
  Scottsdale was annoyingly a big block of houses, downtown Pheonix near the airport had tons of litter and the occasional homeless person, never went further towards Mesa, but overall everything was an improvement from where I had come from.
- I'd argue cars are more necessary in Phoenix than most places. It is way too hot to walk more than a couple of blocks, so unless you can build dense enough to justify a public transit stop on every other corner...yikes.
  
  Cars don't 'solve' a climate being 'hot'. Tons of cities have existed for thousands of years in arid environments. You build the city respecting the environment, with more density and walkability, shade and vegetation.
  
  The urban heat island is no joke and it's due to cars. Phoenix is a monument to humankind's stupidity and ignorance of a place's environment.
That first picture is depressing

The city is maybe car-free but certainly not asphalt-free