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1y ago

RAM??? Let use GDrive as swap

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ITT:
- The internet is srs bzns.
- New favorite format
  
  Einstein Says is arguably a much better template.
- But what if we enjoy doing that?
- "It's just a joke" is such a tired excuse for being called out on your shitty opinions

I prefer to put my swap partition on CD-RW.
- That way you'll know you've run out of physical memory when the cd-rom starts spinning up.
  
  I hate that I kind of like this point...
  
  Linux doesn't wait for you to be out of memory to swap-out pages.
- I wonder if anyone has actually managed to do this
  
  someone put swap on google drive
  
  https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/mount.davfs.8.html mount cloud memory as folder and put swapfile on it
- Personally enjoy my swap on an iPod
- I think you meant DVD-RAM.
  
  Sup, that would actually be possible.

Yeah, never had a problem with incompatible hardware on Linux.
No siree, not a once!
- Such an up and down though. I have an ancient epson scanner that cannot be used on modern windows, but I just installed the driver on linux and everything has been amazing.
  
  Like pre-usb ancient or what?
- Did you ever had to buy a new laptop because Linux stopped supporting the current one?
  
  I've had the reverse. I started using arch because debian didn't have my wifi driver yet.
  
  No but I am looking for a new laptop and this time I'll definitely spent more time checking Linux compatibility.
  My previous thinkpad worked fine out of the box, but my current laptop is an HP Omen, that I mostly selected for the price to performance ratio. But I immediately learned that Linux compatibility sucked. Like not being able to boot an Ubuntu usb drive (without messing with the boot parameters).
  
  I did the opposite. After one of the big updates, Windows 10 decided it was no longer going to work with the Vista-era drivers for an old Core 2 Duo laptop. To be fair to Microsoft, was I pretty impressed when I initially installed Windows 10 and it accepted those ancient drivers without any complaints on a laptop that was 10 years old at that time.
  So I instead installed Manjaro and everything worked just fine.
  
  No, since I mainly use Windows and replace my laptop at least once every 10 years.
  Windows XP: 2001-2014
  Windows Vista: 2007-2017
  Windows 7: 2009-2020
  Windows 8: 2012-2023
  Windows 10: 2015-2025
  Windows 11: 2021-...
  TPM has existed in laptops since 2006
- This is not a problem with Linux, this is a problem with hardware manufacturers not making drivers for Linux.
  Which is understandable, honestly. Making drivers is surely not an easy task. Targeting Windows covers the 80/20 rule.
- I just broke out into a cold sweat remembering trying to get wifi to function on my netbook back in 2k8.
  
  My friend, let me be that guy that says "that's nothing!". In 2002 (around kernel 2.14 I think it was) notebooks had no integrated wifi (at least not the second hand notebook I could afford, and it wasn't cheap anyway). I had to buy a cisco pmcia wifi card from across the world and recompile the kernel to include wifi support (and the driver of course). I don't remember why, but I remember that recompiling the kernel happened quite frequently. Maybe because I was distro hopping a lot or because there were quite (relatively speaking) kernel updates. Not good old days, but at least I learnt!
  
  Oh lord, the time I spent trying to get an Airport wifi card working on a dual-USB iBook in Slackware... shudder.
- My SMC network cards from the mid 90s are not supported 😭
- Someone gave me an 8 year old laptop to clear down. So I figured I'd swap in an SSD and put Linux on it.
  Damn thing wouldn't even boot. Wasn't even that bad a spec machine. 6GB RAM should have been plenty. Shame really, was actually looking forward to seeing how far it had come in the last ten years or so.
  
  2016
  Hmm. There’s no reason anything that supports 6gb RAM shouldn’t run Linux. I’ve janked together much worse Lubuntu rigs before.
  
  6gb ram is plenty, especially for a lightweight distro like antix or slax.
  From AntiX:
  It should run on most computers, ranging from 256MB old systems with pre-configured swap to the latest powerful boxes. 512MB RAM is the recommended minimum for antiX. Installation to hard drive requires a minimum 7.0GB hard disk size.
- More likely you have issues with incompatible software.
  
  Nah hardware drivers or support for certain hardware is still a thing. I mean compared to 5 years ago it isn't but compared to windows it still happens sometimes
- Winmodems and other cheap junk comes to mind.
  But, apart from stuff made just for windows, what've you got?
- I haven't in a long while.

That fucking wolfs face never fails to make me laugh
- Please don't fuck wolfs face
  
  Instructions unclear

Not true. For modern Linux you need a processor with a memory controller and 8mb of ram. If also need to be a processor from the 21 century.
- Openwrt beg to differ,
  https://popovicu.com/posts/789-kb-linux-without-mmu-riscv/ here's guide for mmu less Linux and here's how it runs doom https://hackaday.com/2022/12/07/a-tiny-risc-v-emulator-runs-linux-with-no-mmu-and-yes-it-runs-doom/
  
  I recently installed openwrt in a banana pi, and it's so cool to see this distro being mentioned around. It's definitely a different linux experience, even after using linux for more than a decade.
- At least pentiums are still supported. Who knows what all those IBM Thinkpad users are capable of if they weren't distracted.
- Not true. 20th century processors can run linux too

Would it be possible to forgo ram for just swap?
- No it is not possible. For a more detailed explanation read here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/928308/is-it-possible-to-use-ubuntu-without-ram-at-all
  
  But it's possible with almost zero ram, like 32mb, but it'll be a very slow experience
  
  My hero
  
  Actually, I believe it should be possible (albeit horrendously slow) by memory-mapping the disk to address space.

Btw. If you disable the Intel ME, TPM is nonfunctional.
Yay!
- you can disable intel ME?
  
  Yes, you just need a bios flasher (which is technically optional) and you can just flash the bios with the firmware version created by me_cleaner.
  
  Novacustom Laptop ;D
  3mdeb.com
  Awesome people, great work. The chassis is crap, very nice CPU and components though, overall I will be happy with it as a thinkpad replacement.
  
  How to?
- How did you do it on the 9th and 10th generation processors?
  
  3mdeb.com, no idea how they do it

optional CPU?
- Well, there are people running Linux in all manner of ways, like VRChat shaders.
  
  Wow, now that is literally insane and super awesome at the same time lol
  
  Holy hell I need a shower.
  
  Okay now that is totally crazy!
  
  I expected to see minecraft
  
  Theres good in this world, Mr Frodo. And its worth fightin' for.
- Well, you can run Linux on an FPGA...
  
  You can install windows in a brick wall.
  
  That's just a CPU with extra steps
- I've always wondered how a person without a brain behaves. Oh wait, they're dead.
  At least computers without CPUs can still compute as long as it's Linux.

i remember when i could run windows 3.1 on a potato
- So a couple of potatoes right??? Please hurry, I'm at the supermarket right now and don't want to have to go back

A processor and ram is merely "recommended specs"

You can use windows 11 without TPM. It's just not made easy for casual users.
I know this is linuxmemes and that this will be an unpopular opinion, but a lot of the complaints about windows I see linux users make, are based on a lack of knowledge. Sure, MS doesn't make it particularly easy, but linux isn't always particularly easy to install or get working well for casual users either. Whether it's linux or windows, a quick google goes a long way to solving most issues.
I'm behind the idea of GNU, but it's weird how so many linux memes could easily be turned into equally ill informed pro-MS memes. Obviously, MS isn't a nice company and I don't think anyone's a genuine MS fanboy, but still.
- There are, in effect, hacks to get around the requirement. That is not the same thing as it not being required. You manage to get Windows 11 installed on a system without TPM, you're not in a supported configuration and could at any time find yourself locked out of updates or even your system, and it'll likely at least be a cat and mouse game.
  
  There are also ways to get around nvidia cards without good linux drivers or laptops with unsupported wifi cards.
- Yep I know You can run Window 11 without TPM I even installed it once but here we are talking about recommended requirement(You just need a decent CPU on Linux)
  
  I'm glad my 400MHz MIPS with 64 megs of RAM and 16 megs of flash is decent
  
  Let's be real. It's a lie that linux's only requirement is a CPU. Wrong hardware, because some vendors don't support linux properly or at all, and linux isn't fun.
- I don't agree the fact there is workaround mivroaoft's bs doesn't mean that it is supported.
  
  The same thing can be said about plenty of configurations and linux. Plenty of laptops or the wrong nvidia card, and you're likely to have to find a workaround too.
  Hell, bypassing the TPM requirement is almost certainly easier than creating your own driver for an nvidia card or problemsolving wifi issues because your laptop's network card manufacturer doesn't give a fuck about linux users.
- it's weird how so many linux memes could easily be turned into equally ill informed pro-MS memes
  Like the one where Linus is getting telemetry from your machines and putting security at risk with essentially a C&C ping waiting for instructions.
  
  No, that's a genuinely good and well informed reason to not use windows.
- everyone knows, it's just disregarded most of the time because it's not a supported use case
  
  It'll be a sad day when the other foot drops. I like Linux but I understand it's not for everyone.

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