Can't win with some people

If "your man card can be revoked" then you understand that gender is performative and conditional.
- You would think that, wouldn't you?
  
  They be throwing man cards at people violently
- I understand that gender is made up and doesn't matter. There is nothing girly or manly.
- For some the optionality of it is less important than the notion that if it's performative, you can be bad at it and therefore make yourself an acceptable target for abuse, and besides that the idea that some roles can be restricted to only those with a certain set of physical characteristics is deeply ingrained in many, be that in terms gender, career, or what have you.
- Cringe, you're not even a good anarchist.
  
  Sooo what if a dude just decides to act like, dress like, and call themselves like a girl? Why would they not be allowed to do that? What about the laws of the universe takes away their agency to do that?
  
  Is this the most terminally online possible way of saying "gender is a social construct and I'm a gender abolitionist"?
  
  I'm entirely for gender abolitionism, but you really need to find some better rhetoric. "Cope and seethe, your arguments are shit" won't work on most people
  
  Which words are you struggling with?

Just can't win with some people. And that's ok, life isn't about impressing everyone - anyone who tries gets exhausted real fast.
- The only way to live life without pissing somebody off is by not doing anything worth doing.
  
  And then you piss somebody off for not doing anything.
- Has my therapist been talking to you?

- Truly. Thanks for being a decent human being.
- Hey that's for real man
- So what you're saying is, it will involve being painted, no matter what?
  
  Exactly. We all know that princess or army dude are the only two choices. /s
  
  Look man there was a wholesale offer on body paint and momma didn't raise no quitter
- I imagine you'd also support her in being a man if she wanted to

If enough of us behave girly, it's no longer girly.
- This is why I like it when I see men wear skirts/kilts, wear eyeliner and/or paint their nails. It's not something I'm into but I think it's cool when I see it.
  
  Ngl it's also just because femboys are hot.
- I've had that discussion before.
  Gender roles, and thus gender presentation, are cultural for the most part. Some are common enough to multiple cultures that it approaches being just human culture.
  But even in western (us, canada, europe) cultures, there have been periods where the presentation of masculinity would be considered feminine in other eras. So gender roles & presentation aren't fixed in a given culture.
  If I, regardless of what my genitals are, present as a man, then I am effectively the same as whatever a man is in my culture. If that also includes taking on the gender roles of "man", then that's another layer.
  However, this also means that when enough men shift their presentation and roles, anyone holding to the previous roles and presentation are now "less" a man in the cultural sense. It really, truly is a majority rules situation, and the minority are what get relabeled (usually).
  The more men that reject an arbitrary paradigm of masculinity, the more we shift to an open, loose definition of what is and isn't masculine, with the eventual possibility that gender becomes so loose in definition that masculine and feminine become irrelevant terms, if the labels also lose relevance to the majority. And I believe that if enough people reject fixed gender paradigms, the terms would inevitably cease to matter.
  I mean, we've already started to add qualifiers. We have traditional gender roles as a specific thing as separate from current gender roles.
  This isn't to deny that hormones and genetics will push people into behaviors that are linked to gender because they're mostly linked to sex. But even with those pressures, we usually have room how we express those behaviors.
  It's why I always tell folks, particularly younger folks, to not worry much about labels. Be who you are, as long as who you are isn't a douche, and you'll eventually find the labels that feel right. And there's a good chance you'll end up shifting your self over time anyway, which is fine. As long as you don't fixate on labels as defining the person, the self, you can freely shift labels as the self shifts. It's when you pick a label and think that you have to fit it in all ways, forever, that you run into trouble.
  So, fuck yeah. If you feel "girly", be girly. Enjoy that shit. Be your best self. It'll eventually work out :)
  
  Exactly. I think labels are useful as communication tools, but they’re an active hindrance to self exploration. One of the greatest things I ever did for myself was completely setting them aside when exploring my gender until I knew what I wanted. It was a lot easier to run off a checklist of options than to sort through a variety of labels, even when I fell solidly into some labels.

It's often time better to not just argue with these asshats. Waste of your time and energy while achieving less than a dog barking at a tree.

Ok but also you aren’t nonbinary just because you’re an effeminate man. They’re different things entirely
- You can't gatekeep being nonbinary. Not unless you're prepared to define it explicitly, which will exclude many people - and not everyone will agree with your definition either.
  
  I said just because. Not that effeminate men aren’t capable of being nonbinary, merely that it is not sufficient (or necessary for that matter). You have to like actually not identify as entirely a man.
  But it’s not my place to fight I’m very much in the binary side of transness.
- Are you transphobic as well? I'm genuinely curious. Or does transgender count as "real" in your view because it does have a far more strict definition?
  
  Telling someone whose gender doesn't conform to the male/female binary view of gender that the term non-binary is a "shit pseudophilosophical concept" that "has no connection to reality" fucking sucks. Either you don't recognize gender outside of the binary, or you just think these people don't deserve a way to express and talk about their gender. Either way it's a garbage take.

Even tho im a cishet male i can absolutely imagine how freaking annoying these people could be.
- Define 'these people'?
  
  People who believe in strict gender roles and the inability to traverse them?
  
  What do you mean .. you people?...

Homophobes are cute. Me and my homies only jerk off to homophobes. Just like those old WW2 vets that invented the gay leather scene. Except now the kink is to dress up as an Ultra-American instead of a German nazi. I got a 1776 shirt literally just to fuck with.
(One part humor, one part truth, one part bullshit. If my lame comedy makes anyone angry they aren't living the life they should be. Treat yo self.)
- If nostalgia ever kicks in, German is my first language :P
- As a leather woman I do want people to know how the community actually formed. Motorcycling was a socially acceptable hobby and served two purposes: it as a hobby has just always been useful for men dealing with ptsd who aren’t comfortable with therapy (it’s worse than therapy but it’s better than nothing and it’s not like 1948 Americans were ready to hear that John can’t process that he killed someone and that he fell in love with a soldier who died in his arms), and it served as a convenient excuse to get out of town into the middle of nowhere where nobody will see gay sadomasochism unless they came to see it.
  It’s never been a parody of the right, but it has had parodies of what was expected of them. The Nazi fetishists were different folks usually. Though we did have people wearing parodies of us uniforms
- I enjoyed this immensely and spilt my drink. Haha.

What makes a man, is it the power in his hands?
Is it his quest for glory?
- Gowron eyes intensify
- Give it all you got, to fight to the top.
  So we can know your story!
  
  What makes a man?
  Is it the woman in his arms?
  Just 'cause she has big titties?
  Or is it the way, he fights every day?
  ...No, it's probably the titties
  such wisdom in this song
- Tom would say "are there cum in those balls."

This has gotta be the meme that best sums up the situation lmao

Ha. Gay.
- Ahahahahbahaa

It's funny how it only seems to be a problem in on direction. Boyish women or 'tomboys' are applauded in a lot of circles.
- Historically less so. Even back in the 80s lots of girls i knew and thought of as tom boys. Where forced to dress and act girlie by there parents. Further back you go more limits there were.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roosevelt_Longworth
  "I can either run the country or I can attend to Alice, but I cannot possibly do both"
  Chastised by some, loved by others, it depends a lot on the audience. I think overall though women have been given more a pass, pegged as 'willfull' or 'impetuous' where as with men it's treated as a flaw that they should be shunned for.
  Think of the differing ways that daddy's girl and mamma's boy are perceived to get to what I mean.

Then you have another person calling them trans
- As an amab man with long hair and emotions that is frequently misgenedered (even with facial hair) yall are down voting something that is far too true
- Yeah, the "can always tell" crowd. AKA "I don't think this person is attractive enough to be cis."
  
  The scientist in me is sooo tempted by the idea of setting up a website where people have to classify pictures of cis and well-passing trans people by AGAB to really drive the point home that no, those fuckers CANNOT tell. They can usually only tell when the person in question is in the progress of medical transition which is an instance of “no shit Sherlock, why do you think we want to get this done as quickly as possible”. And yes, Enbys are a bit of a different story, but even a lot of them pass very well as the opposite of their AGAB, even though they often don’t even identify as that.
  The big issue with this is that the vast majority of people making those kinds of statements are incapable of thinking rationally and instead just continue being bigots.
  
  Idk dude I ngl I look like a long-haired Charlie Puth (to the point where different people have told me that I look like him on the same night lmao) but somehow people still get the wrong idea lol.

Then as a man, I choose to act like a girly-Man©. See? Has Man© and that symbol makes it official. That means I can do anything <'ronswanson meme.jpg'> Checkmate. Easy victory
- A real Girly-Man wears blue armor with white toilet seats painted on the shoulders. Rowboat.

Reactionaries have no underlying principles, they just react, violently in some cases. If you guide them through their own cobbled-together set of values and show the contradictions, they get angry and start yelling, because to them, they are their own moral arbiter and a challenge to their status quo is an enemy.
Gender is a Social construct and getting upset at people for being outside the bimodal spectrum conservative society expects them to be is utterly pointless, stupid, and harmful.

Men can behave girly.

it's designed so that you can't win except by being and doing precisely what you're told. this is because it's designed by evil people and promoted by weak people.

Don't yield to sexists who think you have to be a certain way just because of your sex characteristics. Being a man solely means you've a male anatomy. Masculinity and femininity are social constructs which ever change and ever differ based on subjective perception and what not, with no actual value or benefit to anyone's life. You are perfect the way you are and the way you act is acting like yourself, which is perfect for you, even if it's not the standard for the average man. ^ ^

🚫Girly ✅Childish

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What type of mental ginastic are they using? Lol

First half is a conservative argument (gender roles)
Second half is a liberal argument (abolish gender roles)
- I once asked myself what good gender roles ever do. I have yet to find a good answer. Almost everything about it comes down to making sure certain people are classed ahead of other people.
- Relevant user name 😂
- Yeah conservatives need Russia to be transphobic /s