Births in China could fall to 7 million in 2023
Births in China could fall to 7 million in 2023
Big picture: China's births might hit a record low this year, deepening its demographic crisis. Academics admit births could fall to 7 million, with profound implications for the world's second-largest economy. By the numbers: * Estimated births in 2023: 6 million to 8 million. * Drop in births ...
Wtf is this website and what is their goal? I couldn't find anything on there, who are they??
Why would you even want to stop population decline? It's, like, actually very beneficial for the ones who then live in a less crowded world : |
It’s on their weird about page
“The crazy thing is, despite all this, people still want kids. The economy and social challenges—are the real culprits for the drop in birth rates, not a shift in attitudes. Countries with austerity measures, like the US, UK, Germany, Italy, and Greece, have lower birth rates than Denmark and France.”
It seems to me that they are using population decline to go after austerity and NIMBYs
Long term, yes, great for the planet. But shorter term, a shrinking pool of working aged adults are going to have to care for a growing pool of elderly. Additionally, the overall economy is going to contact before the age cohort imbalance takes care of itself. Same thing is happening across most of the developed world, but it's happening faster in China, and they're less developed to start with.
Every article is by “David Demos” which is clearly a pseudonym. I’m not disagreeing with the conclusions, but it’s definitely a red flag for me when info about the author is so obscured. Like it’s fine to be anonymous of course, but there is no establishment of who this person is other than an About page that uses weirdly upbeat language to advocate for anti-austerity measures to support population growth which is itself a strange take and I would want to know more about who is making it and why.
This is the guy on Reddit I found about the site from, why not ask him?
Yup I agree
I don’t know, I found this on Reddit when the guy came after Michael Deacon for blaming for millennials and pleasantly surprised it was for increasing social spending and building homes rather than some right wing nonsense.
This is just a really weird click-bait listicle type post with a couple facts and a couple incorrect assumptions.
The remarks were made by Qiao Jie, deputy of Peking University Health Science Center and a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, at a conference on Tuesday.
The population in the Chinese mainland fell for the first time in 61 years in 2022, decreasing by a total of 850,000, data released by the National Bureau of Statistics showed.
Doesn't sound like clickbait at all to me. The viewpoint appears quite honest and genuine, and they go on to give sources for why they believe this matters. If you have contradicting stats, please share.
For starters, the article is very anti-China, albeit in a more subtle way than many articles from western sources. The headline itself also grabs in people ostensibly worried about population growth. The facts presented may well be true, but they are missing context which cannot be provided in a bullet points format. The author simply ignores parts of their own sources in order to present their own contradictory point. For example, the line "Wedding registrations in 2022: 6.83 million, the lowest since the 1970s." links to an article from Tsinghua University, which only mentions the declining marriage rate in the last paragraph of the article. It's primarily about how China is well positioned to manage their demographic changes.
Li Daokui, director of the Academic Centre for Chinese Economic Practice and Thinking at Tsinghua University, said in the same seminar that it is a common misunderstanding that a decrease in total population will set back demand and erode innovation power and economic growth. “It’s not total population size that determines the long-term growth potential of China’s economy, but whether the ample human resources could be enhanced and fully taken advantage of,” he said.
Another example: the author quotes from the Global Times article that quotes Qiao Jie. What the Stop Population Decline author fails to note is that their source explains some of what China is doing to raise its fertility rate.
China's National Healthcare Security Administration announced in February the inclusion of labor analgesia and assisted fertility technology in the coverage of medical insurance as part of broader efforts to safeguard people's reproductive rights and willingness to have children. Healthcare authorities have always attached great importance to population issues, the administration said, adding that eligible fertility support medicine, including bromohentine, triprelline and clomiphene, are already covered by medical insurance, which has helped many patients. None of this context is provided in the article, as it is intended to dig in to existing anti-China sentiment while also concern trolling over falling birth rates.
The author also projects problems onto China which are only inherent to declining populations in neoliberal countries. In a people's state such as China these same topics are essentially irrelevant, as quoted above for example. An ageing population certainly is a challenge in terms of healthcare demands, but none that cannot be solved by a nation that prioritizes the well being of its people over arbitrary economic indicators or the further enrichment of its capitalist class.
Hard disagree; when I read it, all the links are working, seem to verify what the writer is saying, and all information can be collaborated with other sources
Edit: I seen this style before, Axios and Morning Brew does something similar
The information may well be true, but it is missing vital context presented in the articles linked. I went into this in my other reply on this thread.
They’re about page is a bit of a trip and seems like it’s all about being anti-austerity? At which point why not have an anti-austerity website instead of one about stopping population decline?
Academics admit births could fall to 7 million
He noted that the number of newborns this year could be as low as 7 million.
Kinda subtle but the original source just lists 7 million as a lower limit, but this weirdo website cites it as the prediction. They also use the pronoun "he," but as far as I know the more famous Qiao Jie from Peking University is a woman. Might want something straight from that conference, which the Global Times doesn't provide even a name.
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Jokes on the CCP, who is going to spend the cash to raise them?
Not to mention we saw this play out in Soviet Romania, and it was a shit show for that government in terms of political stability
7 million new humans in a single country per year is A LOT of goddamn people.
Imagine a major city's worth of people suddenly appearing every single year. It's completely unsustainable.
It’s not so weird when that country has about 1 out of every 6 humans on earth, and when 10.56 million people died in China in 2022. They’re experiencing decline not growth.
It's not unsustainable, it's below the replacement rate. Even if it were slightly above, China has proven to be more than capable of increasing everyone's quality of life while managing a rising population.
That's about 0.5% growth of the national population, or 5 births per thousand people. Less than a third of the global average of 18 births per thousand. Put into that perspective, it's really quite small.
Well, they also could be having 90% of a major city's worth of people dying every year, but I haven't looked up the exact number.
Someone said around 10 million die per year. But old people die. Everywhere.
But they are “replaced” by 7 million+ babies.
Let's not forget that China STILL limits the number of children you can have, and limited families to one child for decades before the limit was raised to two, then three. They don't really want more people.
Scale matters.
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