Top minds of Reddit discuss the Su-57
Top minds of Reddit discuss the Su-57
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One a/c on the assembly line. Look at manufacturing sites for F-35 and F-22. Dozens of aircraft lined up. That’s the difference.
That’s the first thing I noticed. Russian industrial capacity has literally collapsed, I never realized they were this weak. Compare that to their Chinese allies who have been able to produce an impressive number of J20s pretty fast even though the SU57 had its test flight earlier
Too many people stealing money and limiting their capabilities. Good lol*
*not like our trustworthy Raytheons and Northrop-Grummans, of course 
The fact that Russia is able to compete at all with a budget that is a minuscule fraction of NATO's should be frankly embarrassing for MIC bootlickers.
Dudes citing promotional photographs from the single first unit being built in as though that's indicative of the actual machining throughput.
Dudes acting like the F-35 contracts weren't signed almost 15 years before the Su-57's with a design document complete in 1996 as the supposedly ready to enter service X-35 design that was unusable (which they inexplicably built and flew despite knowing it would never work purely for the delivery money while trying to figure out some way to completely change every aspect of the plane while making it look similar enough to fool Congress.) It then took several complete overhauls and a decade to get to a first-flight as an entirely new plane, only to need an additional 4 major complete overhauls, and is getting yet another overhaul to maybe hopefully let it operate in the wind or rain.
The Su-57 project started in fucking 2008 and got a first-flight less than 2 years later. They didn't get any purchase orders til 2019 and have been producing units with a skeleton crew while under sanctions and having virtually everyone on the project actively servicing and retrofitting other planes that are currently winning a hot war while spending $100 billion less than the west has spent on that war.
Dudes citing promotional photographs from the single first unit being built in as though that's indicative of the actual machining throughput.
Same energy as when redditors find a picture taken in 2004 of a run down Khrushchevka in a half abandoned mining town and use it as evidence that the Soviet Union/Russia is one giant slum
The F-35s were made for profit and have a distributed supply chain over a dozen countries so they need the sales first to keep the contractors paid and happy and their factories running, even if it means there are major defects that may or may not be fixed in the future.
The Su-57s were designed and built as a handful of prototypes intended for rigorous testing to work out all the kinks before even starting a serial production on it. The process takes longer but you have a more or less robust aircraft by the time serial production begins and have far less defects and flaws to worry about.
Very different mentality here.
Russian industrial capacity has completely collapsed!! That's why if we stop giving aid to Ukraine they'll be overrun immediately!!
What's an a/c?
Air conditioning. Aircraft fly up high, close to the sun, so they need to keep cool lest their wings melt like Icarus.
dumb abbreviation for aircraft I guess?
Correct
Armored Core
Russian industrial capacity has literally collapsed, I never realized they were this weak
That's a relief, guess we can cut Ukrainian funding and maybe even consider disbanding NATO if the Russians are this little of a threat.
Oh you reminded me to post some more cringe in the news thread over the western wunderweapons circlejerk
They're in there creaming over the F-35 and the F-22 and the F-15EX, despite the fact that the 15EX was an entire new fighter program they started to make up for deficiencies in the other two top of the line fighter programs. Yeah the F-35 rolled out its 1000th airframe recently - that's one thousand stealth aircraft that can be seen by the latest radar and that can't fly in the rain.
Not that the Felon is in a better place, mind. It might be better bang for buck and plenty capable in a modern air war, but the Chinese could probably take out Russia's entire air force with just their outdated aircraft if they needed to, the numbers are just so low. That said Ukraine should have taught us all by now that air superiority is great to have but hardly the top priority in any given conflict, so maybe Russia's right to keep the number of Sukhois low and focus their efforts on ammunition and hypersonic cruise missiles.
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Minor quibble, but I don't think Ukraine has shown that air superiority is not important. I think it's shown that air superiority is easier and more cost-effective when achieved with surface-to-air missile systems like the s400. Overall, air superiority fighters are still an important part of the Air Force, but they are not The only way to deny your enemy access to the airspace.
Russia is still regularly flying MiG 31s with beyond visual range air-to-air missiles, they are still maintaining combat air patrols, they still have AWACs and other sensor platforms in the air. The only reason Ukraine is able to maintain awareness of the battlefield, is NATO AWACs and airborne sensors feed intelligence to them, and Russia has not wanted to escalate the war by attacking them directly.
But the main reason that Ukraine is having trouble, is NATO's combat doctrine always assumes that their first step is maintaining air superiority. It's hard to do that when an s400 can shoot your plane down from 100 miles away, airborne radar is searching for you, MiG 31s are just waiting to make themselves useful by intercepting you at Mach 2.5 to blow you out of the sky, and every inch of the front has instant communication lines to regional HQ.
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